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Table of Contents:	"nonfiling characters" in <title>s (3 messages) Announcement: Digital Quaker Collection open to public (1 message) attribute's attributes (was: additions in editions of editions) (1 message) beginner needs examples (4 messages) debian tei packages (2 messages) dictionary entries (10 messages) DSSSL (Re: XSL-L borderline syndrome) (1 message) DTD's vs. schemas (15 messages) DTDs vs. schemas (was "DTD's vs. schemas") (2 messages) Further MASTER issues (1 message) Gong time in Alexandria (1 message) Hi (1 message) how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef (5 messages) Identifying additions in an edition of an edition (6 messages) inter and div levels (3 messages) Job Ad (1 message) markup leads to new edition? (12 messages) MASTER questions (8 messages) MS Word 2003 and XML (2 messages) oXygen 2.0.2 w/TEI P4, etc. (1 message) P4 in HTML for local use rebuilt (was "Re: TEI P4 catalog files") (1 message) precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD (4 messages) release of TEI XSLT stylesheets (1 message) SCHOOL FOR SCANNING - CHICAGO! (1 message) some validating problems (3 messages) TEI P4 catalog files (2 messages) TEI schemas (1 message) Terminological Databases (1 message) Transcribing audio recordings (10 messages) Transpositions (2 messages) URGENT VIRUS ALERT (1 message) Versioning Machine 2.0 Release (1 message) Virus follow-up (1 message) What's in P5 (part 2) (1 message) XSL-L borderline syndrome (2 messages) [Fwd: Re: MASTER questions] (1 message) [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'? (9 messages)

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"nonfiling characters" in s</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Kevin Hawkins</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:29:15 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('You might try having separate <title> elements. e.g.<br><br><title>The Wizard of Oz</title><br><title type="filing">Wizard of Oz</title><br><br>From the TEI website:<br>type (type of title) classifies the title according to some convenient typology.<br>Datatype: CDATA<br>Sample values include:<br>main main title<br>subordinate subtitle, title of part<br>parallel alternate title, often in another language, by which the work is also known<br>abbreviated abbreviated form of title [...]','Re: "nonfiling characters" in <title>s','Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:42:48 +1300')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=58513">Re: "nonfiling characters" in <title>s</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Conal Tuohy</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:42:48 +1300</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">61 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On the content modelling for titles<br>Two other possibilities:<br><br>One very much like Kevin\'s original proposal<br><br><title><seg type="filing">The and other stop words</seg>Important segments<br>for alphabetization</seg></title><br><br>Kevin cautions against tag abuse.<br><br>There is <gi>titlePart</gi> that could be used in this use case. See:<br><br>http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ref-TITLEPT.html<br><br>In an unmodified DTD, it may only occur within<br><br><gi>docTitle</gi><br><gi>front</gi><br><gi>titlePage</gi><br><br>And indeed I believe there was a thread suggesting that the semanitcs<br><gi>titlePart</gi> be understood as part of a <gi>titlePage</gi> [...]','Re: "nonfiling characters" in <title>s','Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:06:51 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=59227">Re: "nonfiling characters" in <title>s</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Lachance</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:06:51 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">115 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="2"></a><a href="#2">Announcement: Digital Quaker Collection open to public</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Digital Quaker Collection<br>http://esr.earlham.edu/dqc/<br><br>DQC is a digital library containing full text and page images of over 500<br>individual Quaker works from the 17th and 18th centuries.<br><br>I want to thank TEI and those members who responded to my postings during<br>the past year as Earlham School of Religion worked on this project.','Announcement: Digital Quaker Collection open to public','Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:49:45 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=54486">Announcement: Digital Quaker Collection open to public</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tim Seid</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jan 2004 15:49:45 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="3"></a><a href="#3">attribute's attributes (was: additions in editions of editions)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The turns in thread "Identifying additions in an edition of an editon"<br>remember me the confusion experienced by me in the study of section<br>"18.2.2 Hand, Responsibility, and Certainty Attributes". There is said:<br>"the field of application of the RESP attributes varies from element<br>to element. In some cases, it applies to the content of the element ...;<br>in others it applies to the value of a particular attribute". In his last<br>message to the mentioned thread Lou Burnard wrote: [...]','attribute\'s attributes (was: additions in editions of editions)','Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:34:12 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=48599">attribute's attributes (was: additions in editions of editions)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dr. Herbert Wender</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:34:12 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">167 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="4"></a><a href="#4">beginner needs examples</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hallo Everybody!<br><br>I\'m new in this list, and I don\'t know how to read old messages, so please<br>excuse me if I repeat old questions. I\'m planning to layout several books<br>using TeX and XML. I\'ve heard about TEI-Lite and think that could be the<br>right DTD for my proyect.<br><br>I\'d like to see examples of the TEI-Lite applied to theater, poems, scholar<br>books and cook-recepts. Is there something avaible anywhere on the Web? [...]','beginner needs examples','Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:36:28 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=52278">beginner needs examples</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Rosa Mª Gómez Flores</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jan 2004 09:36:28 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">23 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Rosa Mª Gómez Flores wrote:<br><br>> I\'d like to see examples of the TEI-Lite applied to theater, poems, scholar<br>> books and cook-recepts. Is there something avaible anywhere on the<br>> Web?<br><br>I gave up using TEI-Lite fairly early on, preferring some broader subset<br>of the full DTD, so this may not be all that useful, but I do have a<br>couple of relatively simple samples of articles and bibliographies done<br>in TEI-XML, along with some style sheets, from which you might be able<br>to learn something. [...]','Re: beginner needs examples','Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:01:08 +0900')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=52920">Re: beginner needs examples</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Charles Muller</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jan 2004 18:01:08 +0900</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Rosa Mª Gómez Flores wrote:<br>><br>> Hallo Everybody!<br>><br>> I\'m new in this list, and I don\'t know how to read old messages...<br><br>Welcome to the list. The archives are available on the web at<br>http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/tei-l.html -- to read or search them,<br>all you need is a browser.<br><br>As for examples of things people are doing with TEI, you probably know<br>about the TEI Consortium\'s web site with its Projects page -- if you<br>don\'t, see http://www.tei-c.org/Applications/index.html -- where you<br>will find examples, project-specific guidelines, and other goodies. I<br>don\'t know if anybody\'s doing cookbooks, but the other [...]','Re: beginner needs examples','Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:15:16 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=53622">Re: beginner needs examples</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Anne Mahoney</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 26 Jan 2004 14:15:16 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Estimada Rosa:<br><br>I can provide an example of a Spanish work using XML-TEI markup for verse<br>and drama. This example (see below) is drama written in verse but with<br>split verses (one of the most complex cases of drama markup and very rich<br>for a example).<br><br>It is marked up using XML-TEI but with some non-standard attributes we have<br>added for processing and rendering purposes. The resulting HTML rendered<br>version of this work can be seen at our web site<br>http://cervantesvirtual.com/ (search for work 003195, or search by title or<br>author). [...]','Re: beginner needs examples','Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:07:06 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=55027">Re: beginner needs examples</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alejandro Bia</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jan 2004 01:07:06 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">531 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="5"></a><a href="#5">debian tei packages</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Score!<br><br>Thanks to Mark Johnson, one of the Debian XML dudes, TEI is now<br>available as Debian packages:<br><br>> Hi Syd,<br>><br>> For now anyway, you can find the following debian packages in unstable:<br>><br>> tei-xlite<br>> tei-p4<br>> tei-p4-doc<br>> tei-xsl-fo<br>> tei-xsl-html<br>><br>> Thought you might want to know this...<br>><br>> Happy New Year,<br>> Mark<br><br>I haven\'t tested them myself, but hope to soon.','Re: debian tei packages','Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:38:06 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=8435">Re: debian tei packages</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Syd Bauman</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jan 2004 20:38:06 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Syd Bauman wrote<br><br>> > For now anyway, you can find the following debian packages in unstable:<br>> ><br>> > tei-xlite<br>> > tei-p4<br>> > tei-p4-doc<br>> > tei-xsl-fo<br>> > tei-xsl-html<br><br>I just did an apt-get install on these, with a pretty extensive sources<br>file for testing/unstable, and was not able to turn up anything.<br><br>Chuck','Re: debian tei packages','Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:41:59 +0900')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=9072">Re: debian tei packages</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Charles Muller</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jan 2004 11:41:59 +0900</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="6"></a><a href="#6">dictionary entries</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hello.<br><br>I started using TEI Lite to encode and annotate a foreign literary work<br>in xml, but I am now facing certain limitations. Namely, in my<br>annotation, I need to provide a fair deal of grammatical and<br>etymological information about certain words and phrases from the text<br>using tags that are actually only to be found in TEI.dictionaries. [...]','dictionary entries','Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:20:27 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=690">dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Toma Tasovac</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:20:27 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('What about placing the <entry> elements in a <div> element in the <back><br>element of the <text> element and then using the ID/IDREF mechanism to<br>connect the entries to an anchor in the <note> element (or several<br>different anchors throughout the document)? The entries need not be<br>gathered in the <back> element, they could go in the <front> or in a<br>separate <div> in the <body>. [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:45:28 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=1219">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Lachance</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jan 2004 09:45:28 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">53 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Francois Lachance wrote<br><br>>This leads me to ponder that perhaps the best culinary metaphor for a<br>>TEI-document instance is the tali from the cuisine of the Indian<br>>subcontinent. Pizzas are to DTDs as a tali is to document instance. The<br>>pizza metaphor does not quite carry over to the document instance. The<br>>image of many containers on a tray that the tali provides must just answer<br>>a craving for those looking for analogies with world cuisine.<br>><br>><br>ah, so soon we can introduce fusion food, where we put a plate of MathML<br>chips in with the thali (sp.?),<br>and [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:59:33 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=1866">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jan 2004 14:59:33 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">29 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I am, unfortunately, still stuck on the issue that Francois helped me<br>with a while ago. I have notes which include references to dictionary<br>entries which are placed in the back of the document. I am still not<br>sure how to reference them properly.<br><br>This is, for example, what I originally had in the note: [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:24:15 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=24581">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Toma Tasovac</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jan 2004 10:24:15 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">78 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[...]<br><br>> But now, I want to reference the dictionary entry:<br><br>> <note>The root of the name стислав stems from <REFERENCE/></note><br>> And the reference looks like this:<br>><br>> <back><br>> <div type="vocab"><br>> <entry id="раст"><br>> <form><br>> <orth>раст</orth><br>> </form><br>> <hom n="1"><br>> <gramGrp><br>> <gram type="gen">f.</gram><br>> </gramGrp><br>> <sense n="1"><br>> <trans>growth</trans><br>> </sense><br>> </hom><br>> </entry><br>> </div><br>> </back><br><br>You\'re almost there (though I have a couple of detailed reservations I\'ll<br>mention in a moment) [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:08:13 -0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=25074">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Michael Beddow</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jan 2004 11:08:13 -0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">140 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('> From: Toma Tasovac <[log in to unmask]><br><br>Toma\'s case presents an interesting question for teachers and developers<br>of TEI-instructional material.<br><br>The ID/IDREF mechanism operates on the values of attributes. It links<br>elements to elements.<br><br>First observation: what is being targetted?<br>At Michael Beddow noted there is already one ID attribute on the <entry><br>element. All the elements contained within the <entry> element can have<br>their own ID attributes with their own unique values. In Toma\'s use case<br>which appears to be one of signalling etymological derivation<br>it becomes possible to point towards the entry as a whole, the<br>orthographic form, the sense [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:25:43 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=26098">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Lachance</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jan 2004 13:25:43 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">133 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In einer eMail vom 18.01.04 12:08:33 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt<br>[log in to unmask]:<br><br>> If you either don\'t want to repeat the target form in the body text, or<br>> have<br>> a processing system that knows how to pull it out of the target entry and<br>> insert it into the body text at rendering time [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:38:24 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=28293">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dr. Herbert Wender</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jan 2004 20:38:24 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">133 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('[MB]<br>>> If you either don\'t want to repeat the target form in the body text, or<br>>> have a processing system that knows how to pull it out of the target<br>>> entry and insert it into the body text at rendering time<br><br>[HW citing MM]<br><br>>> Fortunately, for the purpose of dealing with mark-up languages<br>>> you can consider most of what a computer does as a black box<br>>> to be taken for granted and rely on some humble everyday skills: [...] [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:22:33 -0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=29545">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Michael Beddow</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:22:33 -0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">93 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Many thanks for<br>the brief introduction into the 3 steps of the<br>XSLT driven transforming process from the XML file to the<br>rendered output text. Before asking what means "trying to<br>do anything beyond very basic XSLT" I first have to study<br>tutorials on XSLT and XPath. (Any recommendation from<br>the list?)<br><br>To control my understanding I wish to explain how<br>I think now on the Supreme Court example in Muellers<br>"very gentle introduction" (my second mail yesterday;<br>subjext "Re: Transcribing audio recordings"). In step<br>1 of the transformation process are builded sub-trees<br>for "front" and "body", and in step [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:29:21 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=30214">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dr. Herbert Wender</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:29:21 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">108 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 11:29 AM 1/19/2004, Dr. Herbert Wender wrote:<br>>And doing this applying "very basic XSLT", perhaps<br>>it is recommendable to put the full speech header<br>>in the content of the speakers division in "front",<br>>i.e. not just "Stevens" and "Klock" but "Justice Stevens"<br>>and "Mr. Klock" ? Or means "incorporating things<br>>which the XSLT processor takes from elsewhere<br>>-- e.g. data it itself contains" -- that I can - like in the<br>>cited Supreme Court XML example - wait for<br>>the later XSLT file to specify how the individual<br>>speaker names are to expand in the formatted<br>>output? [...]','Re: dictionary entries','Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:21:39 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=32488">Re: dictionary entries</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wendell Piez</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:21:39 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">47 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="7"></a><a href="#7">DSSSL (Re: XSL-L borderline syndrome)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('"Dr. Herbert Wender" <[log in to unmask]> writes:<br><br>DSSSL is said to be dead, but I still use it. And it is said to be<br>slow.<br><br>> </xsl:choose><br>> - somewhat verbose the latter, I think. For human readability?<br><br>Welcome to this new world...<br><br>> Complex XSLT applications are presumably just so hard to<br>> understand as equivalents in older script languages where<br>> error checking is likewise supported by pretty-printers and<br>> parsers.) [...]','DSSSL (Re: XSL-L borderline syndrome)','Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:17:02 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=45508">DSSSL (Re: XSL-L borderline syndrome)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Karl Eichwalder</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:17:02 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">55 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="8"></a><a href="#8">DTD's vs. schemas</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('As a person who up to this point not yet touched schemas, I am wondering<br>to what extent the move to schemas is an overall trend within TEI, or<br>even XML document handling as a whole, that I should begin to be<br>concerned about. Is it the case that a large percentage of TEI people<br>are now building their projects from schemas rather than DTDs? Should I<br>be thinking about upgrading my present working systems from DTD-based to<br>schema-based? [...]','DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:12:48 +0900')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=65021">DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Charles Muller</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:12:48 +0900</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">35 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Charles Muller wrote:<br>> As a person who up to this point not yet touched schemas, I am wondering<br>> to what extent the move to schemas is an overall trend within TEI<br><br>well, the TEI council did agree that the internal schema language<br>for the TEI Guidelines will be RelaxNG in P5. So that does bias<br>things somewhat. that may be a trend? [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:11:40 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=66348">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 13:11:40 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">54 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On 29 Jan 2004, at 13:11, Sebastian Rahtz wrote:<br>> Charles Muller wrote:<br><br>> > As a person who up to this point not yet touched schemas, I am<br>> > wondering to what extent the move to schemas is an overall trend<br>> > within TEI<br><br>> schemas are good if you<br>><br>> * need multiple namespace working<br>> * want to use some of the editing tools which dont grok DTDs well *<br>> want strong datatyping * want the other kids on the block to give<br>> you respect [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:01:43 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=68139">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Branko Collin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:01:43 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Branko Collin wrote:<br><br>> I have seen talk about Schemas as if they are the next DTD-like<br>> thing. However, I read in the XML specs: "Definition: An XML document<br>> is valid if it has an associated document type declaration and if the<br>> document complies with the constraints expressed in it."<br>> (<http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml#dt-valid>)<br>><br>> So it would seem to me that you always need at least a DTD to be able<br>> to produce valid XML (if you so desire). [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:47:24 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=68821">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:47:24 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 16:01 29/01/2004, you wrote:<br><br>>On 29 Jan 2004, at 13:11, Sebastian Rahtz wrote:<br>>I have seen talk about Schemas as if they are the next DTD-like<br>>thing. However, I read in the XML specs: "Definition: An XML document<br>>is valid if it has an associated document type declaration and if the<br>>document complies with the constraints expressed in it."<br>>(<http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml#dt-valid>)<br>><br>>So it would seem to me that you always need at least a DTD to be able<br>>to produce valid XML (if you so desire). [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:28:37 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=69569">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alejandro Bia</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:28:37 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">91 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('> - XML Authority, or its newer version TURBO XML is an excellent DTD/Schema<br>> design graphic environment, which provides Schema to DTD conversion and the<br>> other way around.<br>><br>> - The XML Spy editor includes DTD/Schema converters<br><br>but these only work with W3C Schema, I think.<br><br>> In fact, since Schemas have XML syntax, and they include more information<br>> than the one required to build an equivalent DTD, it is very easy to<br>> generate a DTD from a Schema using XSLT. [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:27:27 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=70311">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:27:27 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">33 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 16:27 29/01/2004, Sebastian Rahtz wrote:<br><br>>>- XML Authority, or its newer version TURBO XML is an excellent DTD/Schema<br>>>design graphic environment, which provides Schema to DTD conversion and the<br>>>other way around.<br>><br>>but these only work with W3C Schema, I think.<br><br>You are right. TURBO XML supports 7 types of schemas plus DTDs, but<br>unfortunately not Relax NG. Some of these Schematas are mainly for<br>e-Business or other data-oriented uses of XML.<br>This leaves us with W3C XML Schema and DTDs as the main choices for text<br>structuring. Anyway, TURBO XML is still an excellent tool IMHO. [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:51:32 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=71063">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alejandro Bia</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:51:32 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">53 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 10:28 AM 1/29/2004, Alex wrote:<br>>As far as I know, the XML spec only mentioned DTDs for validating<br>>documents. This was because Schemas appeared after that. Schemas are for<br>>all purposes an enhanced alternative to DTDs. Any XML document can be<br>>validated by means of an adequate Schema.<br><br>I concur that the technical meaning of the term "validate" now includes<br>Schema validation (of any sort), not just DTD validation, which is the only<br>kind the XML 1.0 Recommendation knows about. [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:34:43 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=71875">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wendell Piez</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:34:43 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">101 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 20:18 29/01/2004, Sebastian Rahtz wrote:<br><br>>Alejandro Bia wrote:<br>>><br>>>You are right. TURBO XML supports 7 types of schemas plus DTDs, but<br>>>unfortunately not Relax NG. Some of these Schematas are mainly for<br>>>e-Business or other data-oriented uses of XML.<br>>>This leaves us with W3C XML Schema and DTDs as the main choices for text<br>>>structuring.<br>>a strange conclusion, that the choice for what technology to use is<br>>determined by Turbo XML! [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:39:24 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=72584">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alejandro Bia</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:39:24 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">114 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Alejandro Bia wrote:<br><br>>I trust your criteria when you say that Relax NG is richer in features and<br>>power than W3C Schema.<br>><br>><br>><br>please dont trust me :-}<br><br>my claims for RelaxNG over W3C schema are that<br><br>- it is much simpler and thus easier to learn. some simple basics build<br>up to a powerful expressive language<br>- it is well and completed implemented by several tools<br>- it is an ISO standard [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:29:56 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=73266">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:29:56 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">60 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dear Wendell,<br><br>Very enlightening message.<br>Some further comments:<br><br>At 20:34 29/01/2004, Wendell Piez wrote:<br><br>>>In fact, since Schemas have XML syntax, and they include more information<br>>>than the one required to build an equivalent DTD, it is very easy to<br>>>generate a DTD from a Schema using XSLT.<br>><br>>This may be true given the right schema, but I wouldn\'t say that writing a<br>>stylesheet to provide for conversion of arbitrary schemas into DTDs would<br>>be "very easy". [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:40:04 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=73945">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alejandro Bia</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:40:04 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">103 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Robin (and TEI-L),<br><br>At 02:59 PM 1/29/2004, you (Robin) wrote:<br>>Re:<br>><br>><q><br>>There is an effort ongoing at OASIS, Document Schema Definition Language<br>>(DSDL), which is intended to provide a framework for assembling and<br>>managing different components for validation. (See<br>>http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2001-12-13-a.html.)<br>></q><br>><br>>-->> ongoing in ISO/IEC JTC1/SC34<br><br>Oops! Thanks for the catch.<br><br>It\'s good to hear from you--<br>Wendell','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:52:17 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=74656">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wendell Piez</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:52:17 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hi Alex,<br><br>At 04:40 PM 1/29/2004, you wrote:<br>>Right. It is clear that the DTD you\'ll get will not be able to enforce all<br>>those constraints and enhancements that Schemas now allow, and compromise<br>>decisions will be needed when downgrading from a complex Schema to a DTD.<br>>But a project that decides to get a DTD downgraded from a more complex<br>>Schema will surely be a project that does not require the complexity of<br>>Schemas and their newer features in the first place. Otherwise, they\'d<br>>better upgrade their working XML environment to make it Schema-aware and<br>>start using Schemas instead. [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:01:30 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=75355">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wendell Piez</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 19:01:30 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">81 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Wendell asked about experience with DTDs and schemas on large<br>projects. I thought I would offer mine, though I have no idea how<br>representative it is.<br><br>In a nutshell, I have found that DTDs are most useful at the authoring<br>and editing stage, schemas most useful during processing.<br><br>First of all, for expressing special processing constraints. My<br>employer produces a large volume of technical manuals that conform to<br>the Docbook document type. The control that needs to be excercised<br>during authoring is minimal. We want to make sure that there is an<br>index, that sections are within chapters, that both [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:30:18 -0800')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=81595">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Gregory Murphy</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 14:30:18 -0800</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">47 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Gregory Murphy wrote:<br><br>>These process-time validations are similar, in that they aren\'t<br>>intended to assert the correctness of a book\'s markup, only its<br>>suitability to the process at hand.<br>><br>><br>I might well argue (ok, I will then) that neither schema nor DTD are<br>very good for this job;<br>approaches like Schematron provide a much richer environment to do<br>something like accessibility checking.<br>An artificial example might "if this table contains more than 3 rows<br>then it must be accompanied by a<br>textual description" or "flag a warning if the rend attribute on <p> has<br>more than 3 distinct [...]','Re: DTD\'s vs. schemas','Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:31:42 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=84974">Re: DTD's vs. schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 31 Jan 2004 10:31:42 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">30 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="9"></a><a href="#9">DTDs vs. schemas (was "DTD's vs. schemas")</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('TEI-Lers,<br><br>Greg Murphy\'s post is really instructive. One of the interesting things for<br>TEI to contemplate, in this context, is how the useful distinction between<br>"authoring" and "processing" map out differently for a community like ours<br>than it might for a significant publishing operation serving an entire<br>organization. The tendencies to centralize processing (at least the<br>production that results in "published" versions) may be weaker among a<br>disparate set of projects that share something more like a culture, a body<br>of knowledge, and a shared interest in interchange, than we do a particular<br>set of business goals. Instead of having [...]','Re: DTDs vs. schemas (was "DTD\'s vs. schemas")','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:20:48 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=87542">Re: DTDs vs. schemas (was "DTD's vs. schemas")</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wendell Piez</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:20:48 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">155 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('> interests. (My preference among currently-available choices would probably<br>> be RNG for modeling, with extra kinds of validation handled in XSLT, with<br>> or without Schematron. But that\'s me.)<br><br>you\'ll be amused to see some examples Lou and I have been working<br>on for TEI which embed Schematron assertions in with the ODD source;<br>a quick transform extracts them for distinct RelaxNG schema<br>and Schematron runs. Its fun. [...]','Re: DTDs vs. schemas (was "DTD\'s vs. schemas")','Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:46:29 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=88445">Re: DTDs vs. schemas (was "DTD's vs. schemas")</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:46:29 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="10"></a><a href="#10">Further MASTER issues</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dear list-members,<br><br>once more, a few questions concerning MASTER, occasioned by our plan to<br>catalogue Buddhist Sanskrit manuscripts. All sorts of suggestions are<br>warmly welcome.<br><br>1.) In Appendix B 4.1.2, the MASTER reference documentation states as a<br>cataloguing rule: "Within the <msItem>, give the uniform title for an<br>item within the <title> element. Do not use the attribute for the<br><title> element." [...]','Further MASTER issues','Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:52:03 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=55765">Further MASTER issues</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Birgit Kellner</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jan 2004 14:52:03 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">121 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="11"></a><a href="#11">Gong time in Alexandria</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('http://www.xmlconference.org/xmlusa/2003/confnews/1210.asp<br><br>Hearty congratulations to Michael!<br><br>L','Gong time in Alexandria','Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:53:28 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=19007">Gong time in Alexandria</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou Burnard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 12 Jan 2004 16:53:28 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">15 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="12"></a><a href="#12">Hi</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Test =)<br>fkijuxgfskkmpvu','Hi','Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:38:09 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=46200">Hi</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel Pitti</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:38:09 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">319 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="13"></a><a href="#13">how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At its (conference call) meeting today, the TEI Technical Council<br>authorized the start of public discussion of extension mechanisms<br>for TEI P5, and in particular the design and implementation of the<br>next generation Pizza Chef.<br><br>P5 is still very much in a pre-alpha stage; however,<br>a possible infrastructure is in place for TEI users to experiment<br>with, in the shape of schemas and a working pizza chef replacement. [...]','how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef','Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:19:53 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=56414">how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jan 2004 15:19:53 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">48 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 16:19 27/01/2004, Sebastian Rahtz wrote:<br>> b) what languages do you want write extensions in? for P4,<br>>we had DTDs, by using the DTD subset and extension files. now you<br>>can uses schemas. shall we all switch?<br><br>As I see it, Schemas have two big advantages compared to DTDs: (1) they use<br>XML syntax, allowing for easy processing and validation of the Schemas<br>themselves, and (2) they offer the possibility of using data types. Data<br>types may be a useful aid for the validation and processing in certain<br>pieces of information within documents (e.g. dates and numbers). Writing<br>the [...]','Re: how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:21:07 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=64196">Re: how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alejandro Bia</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 01:21:07 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">57 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Alejandro Bia wrote:<br><br>> The only benefit I still see in DTDs is that they are easier to read by<br>> humans while Schemas are more verbose.<br>><br><br>one of the virtues of Relax NG as a schema language is that it has the<br>compact syntax for those who do not like XML verboseness.<br><br>the main arguments in favour of DTDs are that tool support is still<br>better, and that you can continue to use entities in a natural way.','Re: how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:25:10 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=65638">Re: how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:25:10 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">27 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I apologize for resending the same message that I\'ve sent yesterday, but<br>for some reason the full message did not appear on the list. Additionally,<br>I\'ve read Sebastian\'s answer, but I still wonder whether data types<br>(provided only by Schemas) could be a plus for text encoders. I think that<br>in a fews cases they may come in handy. [...]','Re: how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:23:36 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=66935">Re: how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alejandro Bia</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:23:36 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">62 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Alejandro Bia wrote:<br>><br>> but I still wonder whether<br>> data types (provided only by Schemas) could be a plus for text encoders.<br>> I think that in a fews cases they may come in handy.<br><br>Yes, of course. datatypes are a good argumenr for using schemas.<br>The TEI P5 stuff currently uses datatypes for attrributes in 199 cases<br>for something other than plain text','Re: how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef','Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:27:50 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=67483">Re: how to write TEI extensions, and daughter of the Pizza Chef</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 29 Jan 2004 14:27:50 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">25 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="14"></a><a href="#14">Identifying additions in an edition of an edition</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('...where the subject line suggests some of the confusion that multiple<br>hierarchies can induce.<br><br>We\'re going to be digitizing and encoding in TEI some print volumes that<br>are editions of correspondence. In encoded form, they will become part of<br>an aggregation that will include one or more editions of correspondence<br>that exist only in electronic form. Because is a kind of secondary<br>encoding (where the print edition is the first "encoding" of primary<br>materials), I want to be sure I\'m on the right track in distinguishing<br>between authorial and editorial changes and additions. [...]','Identifying additions in an edition of an edition','Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:27:58 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=19327">Identifying additions in an edition of an edition</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Sewell</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:27:58 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('This seems to me to be the correct encoding if you are interested in the<br>content of the editorial decisions--i.e. for something like a variorum.<br>Obviously, however, you are not encoding some information about the<br>specific witness if you interpret the symbols rather than record their<br>appearance (though in the case of something so formal as an apparatus,<br>this may not be an ambiguous issue). It is the same issue, though less<br>ambiguous, I suspect, that comes up when you encode italics by choosing<br>between foreign, emphasis, term, etc. [...]','Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition','Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:10:05 -0700')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=20141">Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Daniel O'Donnell</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 12 Jan 2004 22:10:05 -0700</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">80 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('David Sewell wrote:<br>><br>> Suppose the print edition uses ^text^ to indicate additions by the author<br>> of a letter in the letter manuscript, and [text] to indicate editorial<br>> additions. So given a dateline that appears in print as<br>><br>> Cambridge, ^Mass.^ 18 Feb. [1835]<br>><br>> this might be coded<br>><br>> <dateline><br>> <name type="place">Cambridge, <add hand="author">Mass.</add></name><br>> <date value="1835-02-18">18 Feb. <add hand="editor">1835</add><br>> </dateline> [...]','Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition','Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:28:10 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=20914">Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou Burnard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:28:10 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('resp= versus hand= on <add> is an interesting choice here; after all,<br>in the original manuscript, those additions are in handwriting (that<br>of the author).<br><br>But I think Lou is right. hand= would only be appropriate if you were<br>encoding just the letter manuscripts themselves (using the print<br>edition as a sort of cloudy lens through which to inspect them).<br>Since you\'re also encoding editorial additions, you\'re capturing the<br>print edition as a layer here as well. So I would use resp= for both<br>types of addition. [...]','Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition','Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:59:14 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=21790">Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Julia Flanders</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:59:14 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">49 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Tue, 13 Jan 2004, Julia Flanders wrote:<br><br>> resp= versus hand= on <add> is an interesting choice here; after all,<br>> in the original manuscript, those additions are in handwriting (that<br>> of the author).<br>><br>> But I think Lou is right. hand= would only be appropriate if you were<br>> encoding just the letter manuscripts themselves (using the print<br>> edition as a sort of cloudy lens through which to inspect them).<br>> Since you\'re also encoding editorial additions, you\'re capturing the<br>> print edition as a layer here as well. So I would use resp= for [...]','Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition','Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:50:51 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=22550">Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">David Sewell</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:50:51 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Thanks David for reminding me of the cause for the slight feeling of<br>unease with which I made my earlier recommendation!<br><br>As defined in the Guidelines, RESP is indeed intended for a kind of<br>meta-use: to say who is responsible for the assignation provided by the<br>HAND attribute. And this is not something restricted to <add>, by the<br>way, it applies to all the editorial tags (<damage>, <del> etc). [...]','Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition','Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:06:00 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=23364">Re: Identifying additions in an edition of an edition</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou Burnard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jan 2004 11:06:00 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">75 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="15"></a><a href="#15">inter and div levels</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The witty exchange between Lou and Sebastian prompts me to ask Lou, now<br>back from holidaying, if he would kindly provide a neat little<br>disquisition on the element classes "inter" and "divn" [my copy of the P3<br>Guidelines being blank at page 780 -- I know I should consult P4 online].<br><br>The index to P3 does indicate that there are three div-related classes<br>(in alphabetical order): [...]','inter and div levels','Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:53:07 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=5851">inter and div levels</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Lachance</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jan 2004 19:53:07 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">56 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Francois Lachance wrote:<br><br>>At present the Guidelines present the element classes atomistically (as a<br>>descriptive alphabetical listing). Does anyone have a nice chart depicting<br>>the relations between the various classes?<br>><br>I entirely agree with the underlying sentiment here that the TEI class<br>system is as obscure to most<br>people as it is powerful.<br><br>In my view of P5, classes become more and more important, as the main<br>"API" for the TEI to expose<br>itself to other markup schemes. Writing Francois\' nice chart would help<br>lots of people, I think. [...]','Re: inter and div levels','Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:52:19 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=6468">Re: inter and div levels</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:52:19 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Francois Lachance wrote:<br>> The witty exchange between Lou and Sebastian prompts me to ask Lou, now<br>> back from holidaying, if he would kindly provide a neat little<br>> disquisition on the element classes "inter" and "divn" [my copy of the P3<br>> Guidelines being blank at page 780 -- I know I should consult P4 online]. [...]','Re: inter and div levels','Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:21:34 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=7857">Re: inter and div levels</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou-at-home</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jan 2004 21:21:34 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">117 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="16"></a><a href="#16">Job Ad</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dear TEI folk,<br><br>A job ad that might interest you, apologies for cross-posting.<br><br>Electronic Texts and Text Analysis<br><br>The Faculty of Humanities at McMaster University invites applications<br>for a tenure-track position at<br>the rank of Assistant Professor in Electronic Texts and Text<br>Analysis, commencing July 1, 2004.<br>Minimum annual salary at the Assistant Professor rank will be $49,861<br>as of July 1, 2004. The<br>successful candidate will be appointed to the Multimedia Program in<br>the School of the Arts and, if<br>suitable, to one of the following Departments: English, French, or<br>Modern Languages and Linguistics.<br>The successful candidate should demonstrate [...]','Job Ad','Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:11:39 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=43764">Job Ad</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Geoffrey Rockwell</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:11:39 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">66 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="17"></a><a href="#17">markup leads to new edition?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Do members of this list believe that, for legal purposes, implementing<br>TEI-XML markup on an e-text that previously lacked it creates<br>essentially a new edition?<br><br>And likewise, would substantially extending already existing TEI markup<br>create a new edition?','markup leads to new edition?','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:09:05 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=76753">markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ross Scaife</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:09:05 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">16 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On 30 Jan 2004, at 15:09, Ross Scaife wrote:<br><br>> Do members of this list believe that, for legal purposes, implementing<br>> TEI-XML markup on an e-text that previously lacked it creates<br>> essentially a new edition?<br>><br>> And likewise, would substantially extending already existing TEI<br>> markup create a new edition?<br><br>Unless there are lawyers on this list, I don\'t think anyone can say<br>with certainty that LEGALLY X=Y. Even the lawyers I know would pad<br>such statements in a cloud of disclaimers. [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:00:41 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=77183">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Branko Collin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:00:41 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">41 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Jan 30, 2004, at 4:00 PM, Branko Collin wrote:<br><br>> On 30 Jan 2004, at 15:09, Ross Scaife wrote:<br>><br>>> Do members of this list believe that, for legal purposes, implementing<br>>> TEI-XML markup on an e-text that previously lacked it creates<br>>> essentially a new edition?<br>>><br>>> And likewise, would substantially extending already existing TEI<br>>> markup create a new edition?<br>><br>> Unless there are lawyers on this list, I don\'t think anyone can say<br>> with certainty that LEGALLY X=Y. Even the lawyers I know would pad<br>> such statements in a cloud of [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:30:18 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=77901">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ross Scaife</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:30:18 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">53 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I am not sure one can talk "essentially" about a matter that is<br>fundamentally "gradual."<br><br>I like to call e-texts digital surrogates--at least those e-texts that<br>had an earlier life in print culture, which is probably most of the<br>stuff that scholars mark up with TEI.<br><br>When you add tagging you increase what I call the "query potential of<br>the digital surrogate." There are things you can now do with the marked<br>up text that you could not do with the plain text. Thus mark-up adds<br>value. If the value is of a certain kind and crosses a certain<br>threshold, [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:37:22 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=78706">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Martin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 15:37:22 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">56 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On 30 Jan 2004, at 16:30, Ross Scaife wrote:<br><br>> Thanks for your comments, Branko. I know that replies to these<br>> perhaps naive-sounding questions from members of this list aren\'t the<br>> same as legal opinions. But I asked because I am curious whether<br>> people who do TEI markup (that may lead to all sorts of new<br>> functionality) *believe* they are creating new editions -- even when<br>> the text remains otherwise unchanged. [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:03:16 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=79518">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Branko Collin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:03:16 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">37 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Ross<br><br>It seems like part of what you are asking is how TEI encoders view<br>themselves relative to the work of publishing. However, I think your<br>question is posited on a general (cultural) disregard for the electronic<br>text as its own entity. One does not question whether or not a<br>publishing house *believes* itself to be creating a new edition because<br>it changes layout of material. While there are a lot of arguments made<br>about digital surrogates standing in for the material text, it has been<br>long established (in print as well as on screen) by bibliographic study<br>and textual [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:49:22 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=80156">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Gallinger, Michelle</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:49:22 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">134 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The key question here, and we should ask a lawyer for this, is: what is<br>intended by a new edition? Is it necessary to modify the text to have a new<br>edition?<br>How much do you need to change of a text to be considered a new edition?<br><br>Markup is metainformation added to a text for structuring purposes,<br>presentational purposes, postprocessing or just adding metadata, but it<br>basically doesn\'t modify the text. The text can still be read in the same way. [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=80950">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Alejandro Bia</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 23:27:54 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">87 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hi,<br><br>Ross Scaife wrote:<br><br>>Do members of this list believe that, for legal purposes, implementing<br>>TEI-XML markup on an e-text that previously lacked it creates<br>>essentially a new edition?<br>><br>>And likewise, would substantially extending already existing TEI markup<br>>create a new edition?<br><br>I believe that different countries have strongly different rules about this<br>matter.<br><br>According to Italian author\'s rights law, if you "create" something you<br>have rights on it. The text established in a critical edition is therefore<br>always considered as pertaining to the author (the editor doesn\'t "create"<br>it; he/she merely "restores" it). If the text is already [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:09:09 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=82423">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mirko Tavosanis</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 31 Jan 2004 00:09:09 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">57 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Jan 30, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Ross Scaife wrote:<br><br>> Do members of this list believe that, for legal purposes, implementing<br>> TEI-XML markup on an e-text that previously lacked it creates<br>> essentially a new edition?<br>><br>> And likewise, would substantially extending already existing TEI markup<br>> create a new edition?<br>><br>><br><br>For "legal purposes" the concept of a "new edition" has no meaining.<br>In the US, at least, the legal question is whether or not the TEI-XML<br>markup added contains sufficient originality to render the resulting<br>work copyrightable. If the markup added does no more [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:23:51 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=83355">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Nicholas Finke</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 22:23:51 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In einer eMail vom 31.01.04 04:24:18 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt [log in to unmask]: > In the US, at least, the legal question is whether or not the TEI-XML > markup added contains sufficient originality to render the resulting > work copyrightable. If the markup added does no more than indicate in > an e-text the textual features of a hordcopy edition (e.g., using > elements such as , <head>, <pb>, <hi>, etc.) I would say that the > resulting work contains nothing original. Anyone doing a competent job > of this kind of text markup would necessarily arrive at the same, or [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:13:07 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=84207">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dr. Herbert Wender</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 31 Jan 2004 05:13:07 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">86 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I have a use case and a a question:<br><br>The use case:<br><br>> Do members of this list believe that, for legal purposes, implementing<br>> TEI-XML markup on an e-text that previously lacked it creates<br>> essentially a new edition?<br><br>I have been involved in a project where a similar question cropped up.<br>The project involved commentary and source identification of quotations.<br>The work to which this commentary was connected was copyright protected.<br>Technically it was possible to produce a version where the work would be<br>tagged with attribute values indicating copyright status of the various<br>portions of the e-text [...]','markup leads to new edition?','Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:17:42 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=85870">markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Lachance</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 31 Jan 2004 08:17:42 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">66 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Jan 31, 2004, at 8:17 AM, Francois Lachance wrote:<br><br>>> And likewise, would substantially extending already existing TEI<br>>> markup<br>>> create a new edition?<br>><br>> A new edition of what? A new DTD, yes. If new elements and attributes<br>> are applied to a document instance, there is the historical layering<br>> which would suggest that more than one "edition" is at play. It helps<br>> to think about editions as a subset of versions [The TEI has<br>> mechanisms for capturing revision history in the TEI header]. Some<br>> copyright regimes afford authors moral rights which [...]','Re: markup leads to new edition?','Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:37:05 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=86732">Re: markup leads to new edition?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ross Scaife</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:37:05 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">48 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="18"></a><a href="#18">MASTER questions</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dear list-members,<br><br>we are currently developing a Sanskrit manuscript catalogue and are<br>trying to use the DTD of the MASTER project<br>(http://www.cta.dmu.ac.uk/projects/master/), based on the reference<br>provided at http://www.tei-c.org.uk/Master/Reference/.<br><br>The MASTER DTD is on the whole very well suited to our plans, but there<br>are a few open questions that I hope can be answered on this list.<br>Because all persons involved in the project are relatively inexperienced<br>with XML, sometimes we are not sure whether our problems affect the DTD<br>or simply concern cataloguing practice. [...]','MASTER questions','Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:45:35 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=13849">MASTER questions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Birgit Kellner</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 9 Jan 2004 18:45:35 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">81 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Birgit Kellner wrote<br><br>> we are currently developing a Sanskrit manuscript catalogue and are<br>> trying to use the DTD of the MASTER project<br>> (http://www.cta.dmu.ac.uk/projects/master/), based on the reference<br>> provided at http://www.tei-c.org.uk/Master/Reference/.<br><br>Birgit\'s questions come at a good time for me, as I am just beginning<br>the task of trying to figure out how to mark up a catalog of the Korean<br>Buddhist Canon, which has similar issues with variant titles and<br>colophons. I will probably be asking my own questions on this topic<br>shortly. [...]','Re: MASTER questions','Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:14:19 +0900')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=14642">Re: MASTER questions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Charles Muller</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:14:19 +0900</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Charles Muller wrote:<br>> Birgit Kellner wrote<br><br>> But for the moment, I just wanted to notify of a dead link in the above<br>> listed page:<br>><br>> http://www.tei-c.org.uk/Master/Reference/<br>><br>> The link under the text<br>><br>> "sample documents using it"<br>><br>> seems to be broken. I would certainly like to see these sample<br>> documents.<br><br>I have fixed this link. Apologies for the lapsus -- and please read<br>carefully the health warnings now added to this page! [...]','Re: MASTER questions','Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:37:05 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=15402">Re: MASTER questions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou-at-home</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:37:05 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">59 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dear Birgit,<br><br>I haven\'t seen any responses to the list that answer your questions<br>(you may have had some off-list I suppose) but in case you haven\'t had<br>anything yet here is my reaction for what it is worth. I have never<br>used MASTER but I have examined it a few times in the past. It does not<br>seem to have been maintained for some time - probably since the project<br>to create it terminated. So use it with a little caution. [...]','Re: MASTER questions','Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:58:15 +1000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=16156">Re: MASTER questions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">desmond.schmidt</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 11 Jan 2004 07:58:15 +1000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">126 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Desmond Schmidt wrote:<br><br>> As to your problem with the local relational database, I wonder if<br>> you might not consider eliminating installation problems altogether,<br>> as well as the problem of how to generate and upload the XML by<br>> writing a script on the server (in PERL, PHP, ASP or whatever runs in<br>> that environment) to generate the XML and enter it directly into the<br>> Hyperwave database. This would also give you the opportunity of<br>> updating records already stored there, as well as making it dead easy<br>> to enter data. All you would then [...]','Re: MASTER questions','Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:40:24 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=16781">Re: MASTER questions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Birgit Kellner</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:40:24 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">82 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Birgit Kellner wrote:<br><br>...<br><br>> 1.) Alternative titles of works contained in a manuscript or manuscript<br>> convolute<br>> We have cases where three or more titles are known for a work, and we<br>> would like to list all of them for convenience. How to proceed?<br>> If we have a standard title and an alternate title, I understand we<br>> sould code:<br>><br>> <title reg="standard title">some other form of title</title><br>> [...]','Re: MASTER questions','Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:07:39 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=17565">Re: MASTER questions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou Burnard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:07:39 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">159 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Fri, 9 Jan 2004, Birgit Kellner wrote:<br><br>> Dear list-members,<br>><br><br>...<br><br>> would like to list all of them for convenience. How to proceed?<br>> If we have a standard title and an alternate title, I understand we<br>> sould code:<br>><br>> <title reg="standard title">some other form of title</title><br>><br>> But what if there are more variants of a title?<br>><br>> (This affects both the <title> element in <msHeading> and in <msContents>.) [...]','Re: MASTER questions','Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:43:27 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=18270">Re: MASTER questions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sigfrid Lundberg - LUB NetLab</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 12 Jan 2004 09:43:27 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">48 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Lou Burnard wrote, commenting on my earlier questions:<br><br>>> 2.) Colophons and additions: some manuscripts have different colophons,<br>>> author colophons and scribal colophons.<br>>> It seems to us most reasonable to enter author colophons under<br>>> <colophon> in <msContents>, and to treat scribal colophons as<br>>> <additions> under <physDesc>.<br>><br>><br>> I am not sure that I agree with this, though I am not a ms expert by<br>> any means. <additions> is really for material extrinisic to the<br>> intellectual content of the work in the ms, such as subsequent<br>> scribblings ("this book belongs to me" [...]','Re: MASTER questions','Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:03:13 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=44624">Re: MASTER questions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Birgit Kellner</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jan 2004 01:03:13 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">108 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="19"></a><a href="#19">MS Word 2003 and XML</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I\'ve been encountering some difficulties importing the TEI schema (.xsd)<br>into MS Word 2003.<br><br>Please advise on how to successfully import as well as any other insight<br>on Word 2003 as an XML-friendly environment.<br><br>Thanks,<br><br>Michelle Gallinger','MS Word 2003 and XML','Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:12:19 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=60799">MS Word 2003 and XML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Gallinger, Michelle</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:12:19 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">131 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Gallinger, Michelle wrote:<br><br>>countering some difficulties importing the TEI schema (.xsd)<br>>into MS Word 2003.<br>><br>>Please advise on how to successfully import as well as any other insight<br>>on Word 2003 as an XML-friendly environment.<br>><br>><br>There is no official W3C schema version produced by the TEI. The<br>experimental Roma web form<br>at http://www.tei-c.org.uk/Roma/ can generate alpha-quality P5 schemas,<br>but please do not rely on them.<br>So can you tell us what schema you are using, and what the difficulties are? [...]','Re: MS Word 2003 and XML','Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:44:41 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=62170">Re: MS Word 2003 and XML</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jan 2004 19:44:41 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">46 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="20"></a><a href="#20">oXygen 2.0.2 w/TEI P4, etc.</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On Jun 9, 2003, at 11:22 AM, David Sewell wrote:<br><br>> A note for any Mac OS X users trying out oXygen: there is a rendering<br>> problem in Apple\'s Java code that causes buggy code display in oXygen<br>> (tags overlap text) until you manually select a monospace font in the<br>> "Preferences - Editor" dialogue. (Monaco is a good choice.)<br>> [...]','Re: oXygen 2.0.2 w/TEI P4, etc.','Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:43:51 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=24039">Re: oXygen 2.0.2 w/TEI P4, etc.</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Ross Scaife</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:43:51 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="21"></a><a href="#21">P4 in HTML for local use rebuilt (was "Re: TEI P4 catalog files")</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Thanks to Karl for pointing out that some copies of catalog.tei and<br>teicatalog.xml were all screwy. I think I\'ve fixed them now. (Note<br>that the fixes are on the website, but may not appear on the UK<br>mirror of the website for awhile.) The particular versions of the<br>file that were giving Karl angst were in the all-in-one download of<br>P4 available at [...]','P4 in HTML for local use rebuilt (was "Re: TEI P4 catalog files")','Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:36:51 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=76175">P4 in HTML for local use rebuilt (was "Re: TEI P4 catalog files")</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Syd Bauman</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 30 Jan 2004 12:36:51 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="22"></a><a href="#22">precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Sorry if this question of clarification has been raised before (I could find no mention in the archives):<br><br>Which takes precedence: the prose guidelines or the DTD? For example, section 5.2.4 says one of <publisher>, <distributor>, and <authority> must be present in the <publicationStmt>, followed by a number of optional elements "in the following order". But the revelevant portion of the DTD does not restrict the order of any of the children of <publicationStmt>. [...]','precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD','Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:31:18 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=41362">precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Kevin Hawkins</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:31:18 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">20 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Kevin Hawkins wrote:<br><br>>Which takes precedence: the prose guidelines or the DTD? For example, section 5.2.4 says one of <publisher>, <distributor>, and <authority> must be present in the <publicationStmt>, followed by a number of optional elements "in the following order". But the revelevant portion of the DTD does not restrict the order of any of the children of <publicationStmt>.<br>><br>><br>><br>I am not sure I can quote chapter and verse, but in my view te<br>Guidelines are key. The DTD/schemas<br>are simply the best expression that is currently possible. That said,<br>there may simply be a mistake<br>in [...]','Re: precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD','Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:33:06 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=42054">Re: precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:33:06 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Kevin et al,<br><br>I always thought that SGML did have the capacity to force order of<br>elements. I read the DTD fragment reproduced in 5.2.4 of the Guidelines<br>which indeed would produced the ordering behaviour described.<br><br>See:<br><br><!ELEMENT publicationStmt<br><br>(p+ | ( (publisher | distributor | authority) &<br>(pubPlace?, address?, idno*, availability?, date?)+ )+ ) ><br><br>To quickly translate the notation of the content model, read the<br>sequencing symbols: [...]','precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD','Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:49:37 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=51569">precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Lachance</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:49:37 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">108 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('> From: Francois Lachance <[log in to unmask]><br>> Subject: precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD<br>> Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 09:49:37 -0500<br>><br>> Kevin et al,<br>><br>> I always thought that SGML did have the capacity to force order of<br>> elements. I read the DTD fragment reproduced in 5.2.4 of the Guidelines<br>> which indeed would produced the ordering behaviour described.<br>><br>> See:<br>><br>> <!ELEMENT publicationStmt<br>><br>> (p+ | ( (publisher | distributor | authority) &<br>> (pubPlace?, address?, idno*, availability?, date?)+ )+ ) > [...]','Re: precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD','Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:18:03 -0600')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=57117">Re: precedence of Guidelines vs. DTD</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Kevin Hawkins</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 27 Jan 2004 17:18:03 -0600</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">81 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="23"></a><a href="#23">release of TEI XSLT stylesheets</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('My XSLT stylesheets listed at<br>http://www.tei-c.org/Stylesheets/teixsl.html have been reissued<br>in a revised packaging, so that there are separate subdirectories for<br>HTML, XSLFO and LaTeX generation.<br>There is also a "common" directory referred to by all the others.<br><br>If you use my stylesheets, upgrade with care! Apologies for the<br>disruption, but I wanted<br>to get a clear framework in place for TEI P5. The stylesheets you see<br>now are generated<br>from a master set which can produce P5-compatible versions too. [...]','release of TEI XSLT stylesheets','Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:33:37 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=63411">release of TEI XSLT stylesheets</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:33:37 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">27 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="24"></a><a href="#24">SCHOOL FOR SCANNING - CHICAGO!</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('School for Scanning: Building Good Digital Collections<br><br>Presented by the Northeast Document Conservation Center<br>June 2 - 4, 2004<br>The Palmer House Hilton Hotel, Chicago, Illinois<br><br>This conference is co-sponsored by the Association for Library Collections & Technical Services (ALCTS) a Division within the American Library Association (ALA), the Center for Research Libraries (CRL), and OCLC Online Computer Library Center, Inc. [...]','SCHOOL FOR SCANNING - CHICAGO!','Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:08:03 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=36613">SCHOOL FOR SCANNING - CHICAGO!</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Juanita Singh</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:08:03 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">294 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="25"></a><a href="#25">some validating problems</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hello,<br>We are currently encoding text samples for a prototype version of<br>the Integrated Language Database of Dutch.<br>We have encountered the following problems:<br><br>1. <figure> directly within a <div> does not validate, contrary to the<br>information in the element list.<br><br>2. An <opener> nor a <closer> can<br>contain <note><br><br>3. A gap at the beginning of an <epigraph> does not validate either. [...]','some validating problems','Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:59:05 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=39405">some validating problems</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Katrien Depuydt</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:59:05 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">74 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('> 1. <figure> directly within a <div> does not validate, contrary to the<br>> information in the element list.<br><br>Hmmm. It does for me and I can\'t see why it shouldn\'t for anyone else. This<br>may indeed be a baking mishap. Unless you are trying something like<br><div><br><div><br></div><br><figure/><br></div><br>in which case your problem is the div tessellation issue, much discussed and<br>bemoaned in the archives of this list, and isn\'t related to <figure> as such [...]','Re: some validating problems','Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:14:11 -0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=40025">Re: some validating problems</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Michael Beddow</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:14:11 -0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">43 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('>> 1. <figure> directly within a <div> does not validate, contrary to the<br>information in the element list.<br>><br>> Hmmm. It does for me and I can\'t see why it shouldn\'t for anyone else.<br>This may indeed be a baking mishap.<br><br>It might also be a (very) stale pizza. I used to have the same problem.<br>The P3 dtd\'s didn\'t allow <figure> directly in <div> (see<br>http://www.tei-c.org/Vault/GL/P3/ref/FIGURE.htm). [...]','Re: some validating problems','Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:54:25 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=40734">Re: some validating problems</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Peter Boot</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:54:25 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="26"></a><a href="#26">TEI P4 catalog files</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('I\'d like to point out (again?) that catalog files coming with<br>http://www.tei-c.org/Guidelines2/p4html.tar.gz are still broken. At<br>least, teicatalog.xml and catalog.tei are affected. Entries are listed<br>again and again and teicatalog.xml isn\'t a well formed XML file<br>(elements are not properly nested).<br><br>In http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ST.html you start the example file as<br>follows:<br><br><!DOCTYPE TEI.2 PUBLIC "-//TEI P4//DTD Main Document Type//EN"<br>"tei2.dtd" [ [...]','TEI P4 catalog files','Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:52:51 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=50894">TEI P4 catalog files</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Karl Eichwalder</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:52:51 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">28 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('> I\'d like to point out (again?) that catalog files coming with<br>> http://www.tei-c.org/Guidelines2/p4html.tar.gz are still broken.<br>> ...<br><br>Ack! Thank you. I will try to have this all fixed up by the weekend.<br>In the meantime, the files at<br>http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/DTD/catalog.tei<br>and<br>http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/DTD/teicatalog.xml<br>are at least well-formed, and don\'t repeat.','Re: TEI P4 catalog files','Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:59:21 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=60226">Re: TEI P4 catalog files</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Syd Bauman</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:59:21 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">21 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="27"></a><a href="#27">TEI schemas</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('The location http://www.tei-c.org/Schemas/RelaxNG/P4X has been changed to be<br>simply a redirect to http://www.tei-c.org/P5/<br><br>Please let me know if you were relying on any material at that old URL<br><br>Sebastian Rahtz','TEI schemas','Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:54:23 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=62971">TEI schemas</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jan 2004 22:54:23 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">16 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="28"></a><a href="#28">Terminological Databases</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hi Laurent,<br><br>I\'m coming back to your message after some time of pondering and<br>considering the TBX specification.<br>Because some time has passed since my initial posting, I\'ve attached its<br>main section at the end of this one.<br><br>These are my questions/problems based on the TBX DTD:<br><br>1.) My goal is a database where every single instance of a definition or<br>exemplification is bilingual. A definition might therefore look as follows:<br><descrip type=\'definition\' id=\'1\'><br><source>This is the edition of a Sanskrit text from which the definition<br>is taken (e.g. "NP 123,12-15" with NP referenced to an external<br>bibliography file, "123" [...]','Re: Terminological Databases','Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:03:34 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=34141">Re: Terminological Databases</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Birgit Kellner</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jan 2004 00:03:34 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">141 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="29"></a><a href="#29">Transcribing audio recordings</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Lou-at-home wrote:<br>>> Could anyone possibly point me to some examples of TEI markup of<br>>> audio recordings of conversations?<br>>><br>>> The conversations I\'m interesting in transcribing consist of one<br>>> primary speaker answering questions, but during the questioning<br>>> part, there are lots of back and forths, interjections, and<br>>> interruptions -- from several different "questioners". [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:42:32 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=62">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Jelks Cabaniss</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sat, 3 Jan 2004 16:42:32 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">44 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Is there any software I should consider instead of "Transcriber"[1] for<br>aiding in the transcription of audio files?<br><br>Transcriber actually looks pretty good. The only drawbacks (and pretty<br>minor ones at that, relating to my Windows and English limitations) appear<br>at first glance to be:<br><br>1) The Windows-based version (1.4.2) is several versions behind the current<br>version (1.4.6) [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:11:19 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=27029">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Jelks Cabaniss</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:11:19 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">40 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Seems to me that translating from the TRS dtd to the TEI dtd would (a)<br>not be a very difficult xslt script to write (b) do a lot to enhance<br>usability of both TEI and transcriber!<br><br>The example on Martin Mueller\'s site shows a translation into TEI Lite,<br>which I\'m not sure would be appropriate for this kind of material<br>though: you\'d do better to map the TRS dtd to a TEI dtd which uses the<br>transcribed speech tagset, I think. [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:30:02 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=27618">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou-at-home</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:30:02 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">59 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In einer eMail vom 18.01.04 20:12:05 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt<br>[log in to unmask]:<br><br>> Presumably there are existing XSLTs to transform from TRS to TEI, but I<br>> could not find any; there is a description of doing this at the bottom of<br>> ...<br>><br>> http://www.tei-c.org/Sample_Manuals/mueller-main.htm<br>><br>> but there is no actual XSLT linked or shown.<br>><br><br>A similar Supreme Court example in the Web<br>http://www.npr.org/news/national/election2000/specials/supremecourt/001201.3co<br>urt.html<br>looks like: [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:29:11 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=28795">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dr. Herbert Wender</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:29:11 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">208 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('At 09:29 PM 1/18/2004, Dr. Herbert Wender wrote:<br>>A similar Supreme Court example in the Web<br>>http://www.npr.org/news/national/election2000/specials/supremecourt/001201.3court.html<br>>looks like:<br>><br>>JUSTICE STEVENS: The court could compel her to?<br>><br>>MR. KLOCK: Yes, sir.<br>><br>>The link to<br>>http://bistro.northwestern.edu/mmueller/ariadne/Oyez/KlockFragTei.xml<br>>at bottom of the tutorials page shows the encoded fragment as follows<br>>(browser option: source code):<br>><br>><front><br>><div type="speakers"><list><br>><item id="spk1"> Stevens </item><br>><item id="spk2">Klock </item><br>><item id="spk3">Souter </item><br>><item id="spk4"> Scalia </item><br>></list></div><br>></front><br>><body><br>><div><br>><sp who="spk1"><p>May I just ask this question.. . .</p></sp><br>><sp who="spk2"><p>I dont think so, Sir </p></sp><br>></div><br>></body><br>><br>>resp. with form attributes:<br>><br> [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:14:58 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=31055">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wendell Piez</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:14:58 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">122 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Since some of the off-and on list responses in this and recent related<br>threads indicate that XSLT keys remain for many folk as mysterious as they<br>are (potentially) useful, perhaps I might be allowed to unpick and explicate<br>Wendell\'s example of using a key on Martin\'s example data in response to<br>Herbet\'s query.<br><br>To recap: the basic task is to resolve IDREFS to IDs. If these attributes<br>were typed as ID and IDREF in a DTD, and we had given the XSLT processor<br>access to that DTD and instructed it to validate while parsing, we could<br>retrieve any of the [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:10:54 -0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=33376">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Michael Beddow</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:10:54 -0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">149 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In einer eMail vom 19.01.04 20:11:00 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt<br>[log in to unmask]:<br><br>> Since some of the off-and on list responses in this and recent related<br>> threads indicate that XSLT keys remain for many folk as mysterious as they<br>> are (potentially) useful, perhaps I might be allowed to unpick and explicate<br>> Wendell\'s example of using a key on Martin\'s example data in response to<br>> Herbet\'s query.<br>> [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:00:13 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=35028">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dr. Herbert Wender</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 19 Jan 2004 20:00:13 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">129 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('> I suppose now that in Wendell\'s approach to the<br>> problem one could force the specified header output<br>> by defining for each speaker his own "xsl:template",<br>> f.e. for Justice Stevens:<br>> <br>> <xsl:template match="sp[@who=\'spk1\']/p"><br>> <p><xsl:if test="not(preceding-sibling::p)"><b><br>> <xsl:text>Justice </xsl:text><br>> <xsl:apply-templates select="key(\'spk-by-id\', ../@who)"/></b><br>> <xsl:text>: </xsl:text><br>> </xsl:if><xsl:apply-templates/></p></xsl:template> [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:37:41 -0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=35671">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Michael Beddow</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jan 2004 09:37:41 -0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">120 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('More on XSLT applications to TEI --<br><br>At 04:37 AM 1/20/2004, Michael Beddow wrote:<br>>... Without going too far into the<br>>details of this particular example material, I would suggest keeping<br>>Wendell\'s general template invocation and testing the @who value within it,<br>>like so:<br>><br>><xsl:template match="sp/p"><br>><p><br>><xsl:if test="not(preceding-sibling::p)"><b><br>><br>><xsl:choose><br>><br>><xsl:when><br>><br>></xsl:when><br>></xsl:choose><br>><xsl:text>Justice </xsl:text><br>><xsl:apply-templates select="key(\'spk-by-id\', ../@who)"/></b><br>><xsl:text>: </xsl:text><br>></xsl:if><br>><xsl:apply-templates/><br> [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:38:46 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=37242">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wendell Piez</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jan 2004 11:38:46 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">160 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Now working on something else I did find a bug that will affect the code I<br>posted earlier:<br><br>At 11:38 AM 1/20/2004, I wrote:<br>>... So for this example I put my lookup table in the stylesheet:<br>><br>><local:lookup xmlns:local="putalocalURLhere"><br>> <title who="spk1">Justice</title><br>> <title who="spk2">Mr</title><br>></local:lookup><br>><br>>Then in my template I can simply say<br>><br>><xsl:variable name="title"<br>> select="document(\'\')/*/local:lookup/title[@who=current()/@who]"/><br>><br>>(untested, but I think I have the syntax right) [...]','Re: Transcribing audio recordings','Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:34:02 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=38524">Re: Transcribing audio recordings</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wendell Piez</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 20 Jan 2004 12:34:02 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">45 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="30"></a><a href="#30">Transpositions</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In the Henrik Ibsen manuscript material, we have had transpositions of two<br>kinds:<br><br>1) numbered ones, i.e. rearranged order of words indicated with numbers<br>above the words, and<br><br>2) transpositions that are really text which is moved from one place to<br>another, indicated with arrows or lines or the like.<br><br>The first ones we encode like this: [...]','Re: Transpositions','Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:44:08 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=7303">Re: Transpositions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Hilde Bøe</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jan 2004 10:44:08 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">39 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On 31 Dec 2003, at 18:52, desmond.schmidt wrote:<br><br>> I am trying to find out if TEI has any standardised way of encoding<br>> transpositions. By that I mean indications in a manuscript that whole<br>> passages are to be moved to another location. At the moment we just<br>> carry out the transposition and note it in a footnote, but that seems<br>> to me rather simplistic, and misses the whole point of encoding the<br>> features of the original. I have looked through the list of elements,<br>> the "transcribing primary sources" and "Critical Apparatus" chapters<br>> of [...]','Re: Transpositions','Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:09:36 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=9627">Re: Transpositions</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Branko Collin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:09:36 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">34 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="31"></a><a href="#31">URGENT VIRUS ALERT</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Would the member(s) of this list at UCM Madrid please take their machine(s)<br>off the net at once and have it/them disinfected. I have in the last 20 mins<br>received a dozen virus-laden emails, all addressed to the id I use for this<br>list only, and all purporting to come from TEI-L members known to me in<br>various parts of the world, , but originating on the UCM campus. [...]','URGENT VIRUS ALERT','Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:23:09 -0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=46371">URGENT VIRUS ALERT</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Michael Beddow</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:23:09 -0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">26 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="32"></a><a href="#32">Versioning Machine 2.0 Release</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Maryland Institute for Technology in the Humanities (MITH) is delighted to<br>announce the 2.0 release of the Versioning Machine<br>http://www.mith2.umd.edu/products/ver-mach/<br><br>The Versioning Machine is software tool designed by a team of programmers,<br>designers, and literary scholars for displaying and comparing multiple<br>versions of texts. The display environment seeks not only to provide for<br>features traditionally found in codex-based critical editions, such as<br>annotation and introductory material, but to take advantage of opportunities<br>of electronic publishing, such as providing a frame to compare diplomatic<br>versions of witnesses side by side, allowing for manipulatable images of the<br>witness to be viewed alongside [...]','Versioning Machine 2.0 Release','Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:01:41 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=61232">Versioning Machine 2.0 Release</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Susan Schreibman</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:01:41 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">42 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="33"></a><a href="#33">Virus follow-up</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Just in case anyone has actually been bitten by one of these beasts (the<br>subject line may be "Hi" as well as "test"), the payload is<br>W32.Beagle.A@mm, first released 4 days ago, and will not be detected by<br>anti-virus software that hasn\'t been updated very recently indeed. There is<br>a cleaner at<br>http:[log in to unmask]<br>or<br>http://www.sophos.com/support/disinfection/baglea.html<br><br>(it doesn\'t help that the Sophos people, maybe eating on the job, confuse<br>"beagle" with "bagel", but I expect their removal tool works anyway and<br>maybe tastes nicer with honey on). [...]','Virus follow-up','Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:53:52 -0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=46918">Virus follow-up</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Michael Beddow</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:53:52 -0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="34"></a><a href="#34">What's in P5 (part 2)</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Kevin Hawkins <[log in to unmask]> writes:<br><br>> Lou said:<br><br>>> <abbrev expan="dictu[m]">dictu</abbrev> and<br>>> <abbrev expan="dictum">dictu</abbrev> or even (horrors)<br>>> dictu<abbrev expan="m"/><br>>> I can now have my cake and eat it thusly:<br>>> <choice><br>>> <sic>dictu</sic><br>>> <norm>dictum</norm><br>>> <rend>dictu[m]</rend><br>>> </choice><br><br>Okay, as long as it is possible to write something as follows:<br><br><rend>dictu<expan>m</expan></rend><br><br>Depending on the output device rendering could be different: b/w print<br>"<m>", HTML a green "m". [...]','Re: What\'s in P5 (part 2)','Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:32:56 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=49334">Re: What's in P5 (part 2)</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Karl Eichwalder</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:32:56 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">51 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="35"></a><a href="#35">XSL-L borderline syndrome</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('In einer eMail vom 20.01.04 17:48:08 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt<br>[log in to unmask]:<br><br>(first citing MB:)<br>> And some of those gurus are also TEI folk. But a lot of them<br>> >aren\'t, and if your query is as much a TEI-related howto as it is an XSLT<br>> >issue you may not find you get the sort of responses you need because some<br>> >of the responders won\'t understand the context. Also, it is a very<br>> >heavy-traffic list. I personally find I don\'t always have time even to scan<br>> >the digests, let alone follow the stream of real-time postings<br> [...]','XSL-L borderline syndrome','Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:10:25 EST')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=42974">XSL-L borderline syndrome</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Dr. Herbert Wender</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:10:25 EST</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">214 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Dr. Wender asks:<br><br>> The question remains to me: Why are text transformation<br>> processes to be formulated in a \'stylesheet language\'?<br>> (And this is only one of a handful serious questions about<br>> text markup and text processing \'philosophy\' behind the<br>> newest trends in web technologies.) Or is it only a negligible<br>> naming convention? [...]','XSL-L borderline syndrome','Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:20:48 -0500')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=50310">XSL-L borderline syndrome</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Francois Lachance</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:20:48 -0500</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">50 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="36"></a><a href="#36">[Fwd: Re: MASTER questions]</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Birgit Kellner wrote:<br><br>>I have a copy of Xmetal, but only version 4, and<br>>master-xmetal.exe requires version 3. But anyway, thanks for the<br>>suggestion.<br>><br>><br>><br>Yes, Release 4 has effectively killed our interest in Xmetal as a<br>solution for the TEI community. They seem to have split the product up<br>in such a way that most of what we want to do with it is not available.<br>This is very sad, since Xmetal goes back to Author/Editor, which was<br>the first software ever to include the TEI dtds. But since it has been<br>acquired by Corel, it\'s become [...]','[Fwd: Re: MASTER questions]','Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:40:39 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=47781">[Fwd: Re: MASTER questions]</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou Burnard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:40:39 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">56 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="4" class="headergroup" scope="row"> <table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"><tr><td><img src="/archives/images/b-thread.png" alt="New Thread" title="New Thread"></td><td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td><td><p> <a name="37"></a><a href="#37">[TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></p></td></tr></table> </td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('An epistle is a letter. The passage you quote from the TEI Lite<br>tutorial is discussing the common practice in early printed books of<br>including a prefatory epistle from or to some dignatory as a way of<br>introducing the work that follows. You know the sort of thing:<br><br>TO THE HONOURABLE LORD FLANNEL<br>MY LORD,<br>What splendid trousers you have! And how nice of you to pay for the<br>printing of this book about your world famous collection of trousers!<br>YOUR HUMBLE SERVANT<br>A. Hack [...]','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:17:10 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=2712">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou-at-home</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:17:10 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">72 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Lou-at-home wrote:<br><br>>In TEI P1, there actually was a tag called <epistle> to mark such things<br>>along with a number of other specialised tags like <foreword><br>><dedication>. Then we saw the error of our ways, and turned them all<br>>into <div type="epistle"> <div type="dedication"> etc.<br>><br>><br>.....<br><br>>I\'m not sure exactly what you ean by "those elements", but I assume you<br>>are referring to the list of divtop elements (<salute>, <signed> etc.)<br>><br>> [...]','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:17:52 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=3442">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sun, 4 Jan 2004 23:17:52 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">31 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Sebastian Rahtz wrote:<br>> Lou-at-home wrote:<br>><br>><br>>>In TEI P1, there actually was a tag called <epistle> to mark such things<br>>>along with a number of other specialised tags like <foreword><br>>><dedication>. Then we saw the error of our ways, and turned them all<br>>>into <div type="epistle"> <div type="dedication"> etc.<br>>><br>>><br>><br>> .....<br>><br>><br>>>I\'m not sure exactly what you ean by "those elements", but I assume you<br>>>are referring to the list of divtop elements (<salute>, <signed> etc.)<br>>><br>>><br>><br>><br>> you mean those elements that seeing the error of your ways should [...]','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:09:09 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=4267">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou-at-home</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:09:09 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">43 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Lou-at-home wrote:<br><br>> Certainly not. They would, if anything, be <ab type="salute"><br>> elements, since they are all inter level, not div level. I\'m surprised<br>> at you!<br><br>ah, I see. parallel to <ab type="paragraph">, then?<br><br>sebastian "bring back <epistle>" rahtz','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:13:14 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=5275">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Sebastian Rahtz</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Mon, 5 Jan 2004 00:13:14 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">22 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On 4 Jan 2004, at 23:17, Lou-at-home wrote:<br><br>> I\'m not sure exactly what you ean by "those elements", but I assume<br>> you are referring to the list of divtop elements (<salute>, <signed><br>> etc.) given in U5.<br><br>I on the other hand don\'t know what you mean by \'divtop elements\'.<br>:-\ I am working with TEIXLITE. [...]','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:29:45 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=10406">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Branko Collin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:29:45 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">54 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Hi Branko,<br><br>> I on the other hand don\'t know what you mean by \'divtop<br>> elements\'. :-\ I am working with TEIXLITE.<br><br>See http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ref-DIVTOP.html for a description of divtop.<br><br>> "Chapter IV<br>><br>> In Which I Discover Atlantis<br>><br>> Diving deep--First glimpse of the Ancient World--A giant<br>> squid attacks us--Entering Atlantis"<br>><br>> Someone else recommends using the argument element for<br>> encoding the list of topics. Would that be an acceptable use<br>> of ARGUMENT in TEIXLITE? [...]','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:32:40 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=10942">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Stuart Brown</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jan 2004 16:32:40 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">36 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On 6 Jan 2004, at 16:32, Stuart Brown wrote:<br><br>> > I on the other hand don\'t know what you mean by \'divtop<br>> > elements\'. :-\ I am working with TEIXLITE.<br>><br>> See http://www.tei-c.org/P4X/ref-DIVTOP.html for a description of<br>> divtop.<br>><br>> > "Chapter IV<br>> ><br>> > In Which I Discover Atlantis<br>> ><br>> > Diving deep--First glimpse of the Ancient World--A giant<br>> > squid attacks us--Entering Atlantis"<br>> ><br>> > Someone else recommends using the argument element for<br>> > encoding the list of topics. Would that be an acceptable use<br>> [...]','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:00:24 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=11696">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Branko Collin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:00:24 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">38 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="normalgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('Branko Collin wrote:<br><br>>On 4 Jan 2004, at 23:17, Lou-at-home wrote:<br>><br>><br>><br>>>I\'m not sure exactly what you ean by "those elements", but I assume<br>>>you are referring to the list of divtop elements (<salute>, <signed><br>>>etc.) given in U5.<br>>><br>>><br>><br>>I on the other hand don\'t know what you mean by \'divtop elements\'.<br>>:-\ I am working with TEIXLITE.<br>><br>><br>><br>"divtop" is the name used in the full Guidelines for those elements<br>which can appear at the start or end (but not in the middle) of a division [...]','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:59:48 +0000')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=12536">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Lou Burnard</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jan 2004 15:59:48 +0000</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">98 lines</p></td> </tr> <tr class="emphasizedgroup"> <td scope="row"><p class="archive"><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" width="15" height="1" alt=""> <span onmouseover="showDesc('On 6 Jan 2004, at 15:59, Lou Burnard wrote:<br><br>> But then I *like* tagging!<br><br>I know the feeling. I am the unofficial head overtagger of<br>Distributed Proofreaders, for my excessive use of <DIV> in HTML<br>documents. :-)<br><br>Thanks again for the help.','Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an \'epistle\'?','Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:35:41 +0100')" onmouseout="hideDesc()"><a href="https://listserv.brown.edu/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind0401&L=TEI-L&P=13404">Re: [TEIXLITE] What is an 'epistle'?</a></span> </p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Branko Collin</p></td> <td nowrap><p class="archive">Tue, 6 Jan 2004 17:35:41 +0100</p></td> <td align="right" nowrap><p class="archive">24 lines</p></td> </tr> </table> </td> <td width="20%" valign="top"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td class="blogtop"><h4><LABEL for="Search Archives">Search Archives</LABEL></h4></td></tr> <tr><td class="blogbox"> <p class="blogsmall"><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?REPORT=TEI-L&z=4&1=TEI-L&L=TEI-L">Advanced Options</a></p> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td align="center" nowrap> <form action="/cgi-bin/wa" method="post"> <table cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td> <input type="hidden" name="REPORT" value="TEI-L"> <input type="hidden" name="z" value="4"> <input type="hidden" name="1" value="TEI-L"> <input type="hidden" name="L" value="TEI-L"> <input type="hidden" name="I" value="-3"> <input name="q" value="" size="18" class="search" id="Search Archives"> <input type="hidden" name="_charset_"> </td><td> <input type="submit" value="Search"> </td></tr> </table> </form> </td></tr> </table> </td></tr> </table> <br> <table width="100%" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td class="blogtop"><h4>Options</h4></td></tr> <tr><td class="blogbox"> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?LOGON=A0%3dTEI-L%26t%3d&L=TEI-L"><img src="/archives/images/b-login.png" alt="Log In" title="Log In" border="0"></a></td> <td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td> <td width="100%" nowrap><p class="bloghead"><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?LOGON=A0%3dTEI-L%26t%3d&L=TEI-L">Log In</a></p></td> </tr> <tr> <td><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?GETPW1"><img src="/archives/images/b-password.png" alt="Get Password" title="Get Password" border="0"></a></td> <td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td> <td width="100%" nowrap><p class="bloghead"><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?GETPW1">Get Password</a></p></td> </tr> <tr><td colspan="3"><hr></td></tr> <tr> <td><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TEI-L&A=1"><img src="/archives/images/b-join.png" alt="Subscribe or Unsubscribe" title="Subscribe or Unsubscribe" border="0"></a></td> <td><img src="/archives/images/b-blank.gif" alt="" width="5" height="1"></td> <td width="100%" nowrap><p class="bloghead"><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=TEI-L&A=1">Subscribe or Unsubscribe</a></p></td> </tr> </table> </td></tr> </table> <br> <table width="100%" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td class="blogtop"><h4>Archives</h4></td></tr> <tr><td class="blogbox"> </td></tr> </table> </td></tr></table> <table width="100%" cellpadding="10" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr><td align="right"> <p align="right"> <a style='background-color: #99ccff; border: 1px outset; font-weight: bold; color: white; font-size: 12px; padding: 0 0.4em; text-decoration: none; font-family: sans-serif;' href="/cgi-bin/wa?RSS&L=TEI-L&v=ATOM1.0">ATOM</a> <a style='background-color: #f80; border: 1px outset; font-weight: bold; color: white; font-size: 12px; padding: 0 0.4em; text-decoration: none; font-family: sans-serif;' href="/cgi-bin/wa?RSS&L=TEI-L&v=1.0">RSS1</a> <a style='background-color: #f80; border: 1px outset; font-weight: bold; color: white; font-size: 12px; padding: 0 0.4em; text-decoration: none; font-family: sans-serif;' href="/cgi-bin/wa?RSS&L=TEI-L&v=2.0">RSS2</a> </p> </td></tr> </table> </td></tr></table> <div id="listdesc" style="position:absolute; left:100px; top:100px; z-index:999; visibility: hidden"></div> <br><br> <table width="100%" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" border="0"> <tr> <td align="left"><p><a href="/cgi-bin/wa?INDEX">LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU</a></p></td> <td align="right"><p> <a href="http://www.lsoft.com/catalist.html" target="_blank"><img src="/archives/images/b-catalist.png" alt="CataList Email List Search" title="CataList Email List Search" border="0"></a> <a href="http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-powered.asp" target="_blank"><img src="/archives/images/b-lpowered.png" alt="Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager" title="Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager" border="0"></a> </p> </td> </tr> </table> </td> </tr> </table> </body> </html>