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AUXLANG  December 2004, Week 4

AUXLANG December 2004, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Esperanto

From:

Steve Rice <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 22 Dec 2004 02:43:16 -0500

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On Tue, 21 Dec 2004 08:04:30 -0700, Rex May - Baloo <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>When I think about it, the single most annoying thing about Esperanto,
>which, I still maintain, is the best candidate for an artifical auxlang, is
>that horrible alphabet.
...
>All other Eo flaws are nothing compared to this.  Thoughts?

While I would agree that the alphabet is problematic, I would also consider
the problems trivial. As Mr. Rossi observed, there are reasons for the
alphabet to work as it does. And although Unicode has not yet resolved all
difficulties, that is largely because some people are using outdated
equipment, whether hard or soft.

For what it's worth: my own preference is the x-method. For me, at least,
the x's disappear as I read. This happened to me when I hit the x-method
cold more than ten years ago: initially I loathed it and hoped that E-ists
would rise up and lynch the heretics. But then I found that I could read it
without any trouble--without even realizing that the x's were there. With
the h-method, I am always distracted by the fact that h is an actual letter
in the alphabet. X is not, so I subconsciously convert it to a supersign.

Sidebar: Mr. Harlow said a time or so that having accents was actually
helpful to a language. So far as I know, he never explained that, and he
may well have been joking. I, however, would agree. The reason accents are
good is that they are sloppy and natural. They are retrofits, and they give
the impression that the alphabet was reworked around an existing language.
Lack of accents can actually seem more artificial.

Now, if you want problems:
The real issue isn't the alphabet, but the phonology, which is too complex
and requires too many distinctions (cx/sx, gx/jx, ktp). Yet this does not
strike me as fatal.

Eo has many features that aren't bad but shouldn't be mandatory, either:
the accusative, adjective/noun agreement (which produces the -uj[n] -aj
[n]...oj[n] chains that are the true annoyance in the plural form), tense
marking, etc. Ido sought to correct these, but usually made matters worse:
you can't pluralize an adjective in Ido, which is a bad thing, and it's
even more addicted to tense marking (in infinitives, yet), which Dr. Z was
too smart to fall for. (Ido's pronoun system, on the other hand, is
generally better.)

But what all this overlooks is that Eo is not a project anymore. It is a
language, complete with user base and a very extensive corpus. You can
change a project, but reforming a language is generally limited to cosmetic
changes. All the other auxlangs may be reformed, but changing Eo other than
in some very superficial way would involve putting a gun to probably
hundreds of thousands of heads simultaneously.

Steve

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