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• 115 different language to say i luv u.... (18 messages)
• A more challenging poetry translation challenge (6 messages)
• Amerinds (was: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)) (4 messages)
• ATTN David Peterson
• Darwinistic or ancient strata?
• Elomi! (9 messages)
• fewest sounds? (14 messages)
• great lakes sound change (3 messages)
• Haiku Translation - Piercing Chill (4 messages)
• Hail Mary (5 messages)
• Hello (2 messages)
• how many cases is too many? (15 messages)
• Immortal languages again
• Jeffrey Henning (2 messages)
• Language change among immortals (12 messages)
• Language Change Among Immortals (3 messages)
• Language change among immortals
• Middle Voice/ Dative Subject Intransitive Translation Challenge
• migjan laggvage (my language) (4 messages)
• NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (8 messages)
• New language grammar--what needs work?
• OT: [TECH] MySQL 4.1.11 and Unicode I/O (4 messages)
• Poetry Translation Challenge (12 messages)
• Punctuation as typography (was Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/?) (2 messages)
• Referent Tracking (11 messages)
• Referent Tracking (Was: (Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New.))
• SURVEY: Idiomatic Expressions In Your ConLang Or ConCulture (3 messages)
• Test for middle voice?
• Thagojian news (was Re: how many cases is too many?)
• The Lord's Prayer (Was Hail Mary)
• THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New. (7 messages)
• Voice and dynamicity
• Vowel Harmony (12 messages)
• what is the difference? (4 messages)

1. 115 different language to say i luv u....
   • 115 different language to say i luv u.... (333 lines)
     From: Michael Adams <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (39 lines)
     From: Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (46 lines)
     From: [log in to unmask]
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (57 lines)
     From: mike poxon <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (49 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (83 lines)
     From: Scotto Hlad <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (39 lines)
     From: Monica Byrne <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (48 lines)
     From: Jonathyn Bet'nct <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (35 lines)
     From: Chris Bates <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (54 lines)
     From: Isaac Penzev <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (40 lines)
     From: Isaac Penzev <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (177 lines)
     From: Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (56 lines)
     From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (61 lines)
     From: Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (60 lines)
     From: B. Garcia <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (59 lines)
     From: mike poxon <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (77 lines)
     From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: 115 different language to say i luv u.... (48 lines)
     From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz <[log in to unmask]>

2. A more challenging poetry translation challenge
   • A more challenging poetry translation challenge (40 lines)
     From: Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: A more challenging poetry translation challenge (61 lines)
     From: Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: A more challenging poetry translation challenge (75 lines)
     From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: A more challenging poetry translation challenge (45 lines)
     From: Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: A more challenging poetry translation challenge (42 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: A more challenging poetry translation challenge (42 lines)
     From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>

3. Amerinds (was: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats))
   • Re: Amerinds (was: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)) (59 lines)
     From: Steg Belsky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Amerinds (was: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)) (36 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Amerinds (was: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)) (49 lines)
     From: wayne chevrier <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Amerinds (was: Gallopavo (was: Re: fruitbats)) (49 lines)
     From: [log in to unmask]

4. ATTN David Peterson
   • ATTN David Peterson (61 lines)
     From: Trebor Jung <[log in to unmask]>

5. Darwinistic or ancient strata?
   • Re: Darwinistic or ancient strata? (81 lines)
     From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>

6. Elomi!
   • Re: Elomi! (69 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Elomi! (49 lines)
     From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Elomi! (65 lines)
     From: Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Elomi! (90 lines)
     From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Elomi! (89 lines)
     From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Elomi! (146 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Elomi! (64 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Elomi! (34 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Elomi! (43 lines)
     From: Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>

7. fewest sounds?
   • fewest sounds? (16 lines)
     From: Reilly Schlaier <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (57 lines)
     From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (43 lines)
     From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (36 lines)
     From: Kit La Touche <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (66 lines)
     From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (55 lines)
     From: Tim May <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (41 lines)
     From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (59 lines)
     From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (67 lines)
     From: [log in to unmask]
   • Re: fewest sounds? (38 lines)
     From: Tim May <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (41 lines)
     From: Tim May <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (45 lines)
     From: Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (43 lines)
     From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: fewest sounds? (75 lines)
     From: Patrick Littell <[log in to unmask]>

8. great lakes sound change
   • great lakes sound change (22 lines)
     From: Reilly Schlaier <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: great lakes sound change (54 lines)
     From: Ph.D. <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: great lakes sound change (71 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>

9. Haiku Translation - Piercing Chill
   • Haiku Translation - Piercing Chill (78 lines)
     From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Haiku Translation - Piercing Chill (106 lines)
     From: Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Haiku Translation - Piercing Chill (52 lines)
     From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
   • Re: Haiku Translation - Piercing Chill (52 lines)
     From: Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>

10. Hail Mary
    • Hail Mary (93 lines)
      From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Hail Mary (165 lines)
      From: John Schlembach <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Hail Mary (30 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Hail Mary (91 lines)
      From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Hail Mary (75 lines)
      From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>

11. Hello
    • Re: Hello (69 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Hello (23 lines)
      From: Reilly Schlaier <[log in to unmask]>

12. how many cases is too many?
    • how many cases is too many? (19 lines)
      From: Reilly Schlaier <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (60 lines)
      From: Bryan Parry <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (65 lines)
      From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (46 lines)
      From: [log in to unmask]
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (57 lines)
      From: David J. Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (40 lines)
      From: Isaac Penzev <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (72 lines)
      From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (45 lines)
      From: Peter Bleackley <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (45 lines)
      From: John Vertical <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (77 lines)
      From: Mia Soderquist <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (31 lines)
      From: John Quijada <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (35 lines)
      From: John Quijada <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (53 lines)
      From: Henrik Theiling <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (45 lines)
      From: Henrik Theiling <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: how many cases is too many? (63 lines)
      From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>

13. Immortal languages again
    • Immortal languages again (48 lines)
      From: Peter Bleackley <[log in to unmask]>

14. Jeffrey Henning
    • Jeffrey Henning (47 lines)
      From: David J. Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Jeffrey Henning (47 lines)
      From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>

15. Language change among immortals
    • Re: Language change among immortals (85 lines)
      From: Aaron Grahn <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (83 lines)
      From: Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (55 lines)
      From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (60 lines)
      From: Dirk Elzinga <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (57 lines)
      From: Ph.D. <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (103 lines)
      From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (77 lines)
      From: Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (141 lines)
      From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (40 lines)
      From: 轡虫 <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (46 lines)
      From: Rodlox R <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (50 lines)
      From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language change among immortals (133 lines)
      From: Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>

16. Language Change Among Immortals
    • Re: Language Change Among Immortals (85 lines)
      From: Tom Chappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language Change Among Immortals (81 lines)
      From: Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Language Change Among Immortals (129 lines)
      From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>

17. Language change among immortals
    • Re: Language change among immortals (36 lines)
      From: John Vertical <[log in to unmask]>

18. Middle Voice/ Dative Subject Intransitive Translation Challenge
    • Middle Voice/ Dative Subject Intransitive Translation Challenge (73 lines)
      From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>

19. migjan laggvage (my language)
    • migjan laggvage (my language) (38 lines)
      From: Reilly Schlaier <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: migjan laggvage (my language) (79 lines)
      From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: migjan laggvage (my language) (70 lines)
      From: Reilly Schlaier <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: migjan laggvage (my language) (39 lines)
      From: Reilly Schlaier <[log in to unmask]>

20. NATLANG: Geramn /heil/?
    • NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (76 lines)
      From: Joseph B. <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (42 lines)
      From: Tristan Mc Leay <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (42 lines)
      From: caotope <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (52 lines)
      From: Tristan Mc Leay <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (38 lines)
      From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (61 lines)
      From: Tim May <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (99 lines)
      From: Tristan Mc Leay <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/? (44 lines)
      From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>

21. New language grammar--what needs work?
    • New language grammar--what needs work? (102 lines)
      From: [log in to unmask]

22. OT: [TECH] MySQL 4.1.11 and Unicode I/O
    • Re: OT: [TECH] MySQL 4.1.11 and Unicode I/O (43 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: OT: [TECH] MySQL 4.1.11 and Unicode I/O (97 lines)
      From: Mark J. Reed <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: OT: [TECH] MySQL 4.1.11 and Unicode I/O (49 lines)
      From: Keith Gaughan <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: OT: [TECH] MySQL 4.1.11 and Unicode I/O (55 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>

23. Poetry Translation Challenge
    • Poetry Translation Challenge (49 lines)
      From: Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (114 lines)
      From: Arthaey Angosii <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (52 lines)
      From: Arthaey Angosii <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (77 lines)
      From: taliesin the storyteller <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (46 lines)
      From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (70 lines)
      From: Gary Shannon <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (76 lines)
      From: Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (69 lines)
      From: Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (125 lines)
      From: # 1 <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (101 lines)
      From: Edward Miller <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (81 lines)
      From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Poetry Translation Challenge (73 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>

24. Punctuation as typography (was Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/?)
    • Punctuation as typography (was Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/?) (48 lines)
      From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Punctuation as typography (was Re: NATLANG: Geramn /heil/?) (37 lines)
      From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>

25. Referent Tracking
    • Re: Referent Tracking (92 lines)
      From: Rik Roots <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (79 lines)
      From: Chris Bates <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (96 lines)
      From: Rik Roots <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (107 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (84 lines)
      From: Chris Bates <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (38 lines)
      From: Chris Bates <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (64 lines)
      From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (68 lines)
      From: Chris Bates <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (53 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (50 lines)
      From: Rik Roots <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Referent Tracking (77 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>

26. Referent Tracking (Was: (Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New.))
    • Referent Tracking (Was: (Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New.)) (112 lines)
      From: Chris Bates <[log in to unmask]>

27. SURVEY: Idiomatic Expressions In Your ConLang Or ConCulture
    • Re: SURVEY: Idiomatic Expressions In Your ConLang Or ConCulture (69 lines)
      From: # 1 <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: SURVEY: Idiomatic Expressions In Your ConLang Or ConCulture (126 lines)
      From: R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: SURVEY: Idiomatic Expressions In Your ConLang Or ConCulture (77 lines)
      From: Jim Henry <[log in to unmask]>

28. Test for middle voice?
    • Re: Test for middle voice? (48 lines)
      From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]>

29. Thagojian news (was Re: how many cases is too many?)
    • Thagojian news (was Re: how many cases is too many?) (59 lines)
      From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]>

30. The Lord's Prayer (Was Hail Mary)
    • The Lord's Prayer (Was Hail Mary) (70 lines)
      From: caeruleancentaur <[log in to unmask]>

31. THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New.
    • THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New. (175 lines)
      From: Tom Chappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New. (107 lines)
      From: Chris Bates <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New. (41 lines)
      From: Chris Bates <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New. (152 lines)
      From: Tom Chappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New. (49 lines)
      From: Jonathan Knibb <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New. (131 lines)
      From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: THEORY: Information Structure; Topic/Comment, Focus/Background, Given/New. (118 lines)
      From: tomhchappell <[log in to unmask]>

32. Voice and dynamicity
    • Voice and dynamicity (60 lines)
      From: Aidan Grey <[log in to unmask]>

33. Vowel Harmony
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (68 lines)
      From: Tristan Mc Leay <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (47 lines)
      From: Isaac Penzev <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (106 lines)
      From: [log in to unmask]
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (149 lines)
      From: Kit La Touche <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (82 lines)
      From: caotope <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (95 lines)
      From: John Vertical <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (154 lines)
      From: Tom Chappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (220 lines)
      From: Tom Chappell <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (59 lines)
      From: Steven Williams <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (46 lines)
      From: Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (35 lines)
      From: Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: Vowel Harmony (55 lines)
      From: Steven Williams <[log in to unmask]>

34. what is the difference?
    • what is the difference? (19 lines)
      From: Reilly Schlaier <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: what is the difference? (47 lines)
      From: Trebor Jung <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: what is the difference? (75 lines)
      From: Tristan Mc Leay <[log in to unmask]>
    • Re: what is the difference? (55 lines)
      From: R A Brown <[log in to unmask]>