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--- Jeffrey Henning <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Daniel Castro Landeira <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > > In an alternate universe where no IAL took
> ground and
> > > Zamenhof designed the language today, I think he
> would have had unmarked
> > > forms be neutral rather than masculine
> >
> > Well, Zamenhof took the -in- suffix from German (I
> don't remember now if
> > it occurs also in some other language), so if
> Esperanto is criticized
> > for this feature, also German should be
> criticized/
>
> My point was that it is not a modern feature, and I
> strongly doubt Zamenhof
> would do it that way again were he designing today.
> Bringing up German is
> besides the point. Any of us put up with all manner
> of inadequecies in our
> native languages; that does not mean those
> inadequacies are suited for an
> IAL.
Concur. I think a Zamenhoff-designed language made
today would not be sexist.
> I just had a Bible study last night where my
> translation differed: it had
> "son" where others had "child"; "parent" where
> others had "father" (but
> "Father" where they also had "Father"). Clearly in
> the 21st century there
> is a concern for inclusiveness and a rejection of
> sexism, even in materials
> as conservative as Biblical translation.
Actually, myself, with Bible translations, I just as
soon preserve the original sexism. Hmm, on the other
hand, I think it depends on what you want the
translation _for_. If you want to study it just as a
document, much better to preserve the original intent
as much as possible. Otherwise, I think it depends on
your own leading from the Divine. Anyway, that's
another topic entirely :). I concur with the essential
point :).
> In Esperanto, other unmarked masculine forms are
> 'patro' and 'filo'. But
> Stephen DeGrace puts it best -- the way to improve
> Esperanto is to learn to
> speak it and then to use the forms you prefer in
> your idiolect and hope they
> gain currency.
Actually, I did not put it anywhere near that good,
but I think what you said is exactly the right idea
:).
Stephen
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