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On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 01:51, Roger Mills wrote:
> Tristan wrote:
> >> Aha. So if we were to see those in written form, they'd be "Kerrs,
> Barrs,
> >> Kiers, Sars......perhaps? Similarly there's Wills, in line to the
> throne.
> >> Does the s-addition work with sounds other than /r, l/? Could we have
> Matts
> >> (Matthew?), Bobs? etc.
> >
> >You can have Sabz for Sabrina, I know that. And I have a friend
> >(Anthony) who often calls himself Antz. But they're different, adding a
> >-z/-s to the end of a word; my earlier examples had the R disappear and
> >get replaced with a -z.
> >
> Not replacing; it's just non-rhotic speech doing its thing.
> "Barry" > {drop the -y and add -s} > "Barrs"
> (the amount of dropped material probably varies idiosyncratically) is simply
> undergoing the same process as--
> "bear-PL" > {add -s} > "bears"
> Underlying intervocalic /r/ is dropped when it comes to stand in pre-cons.
> position.
I'm a non-rhotic speaker. To me, it feels like replacement. And you
couldn't spell it 'Barrs'; that would suggest a pronounciation of
/ba:z/. If you hadn't replaced the R with a Z, you wouldn't be able to
add a vowel after it; *Antzy would be horribly wrong, but both 'Bazz'
and 'Bazza' are okay.
> >> Somehow I doubt Prince Henry (Harry) will ever be called [he:z]
> >> Hairs/Harrs????
> That should have been [hE:z] for my imitation of r-less speech; I realize
> now that you don't have the same vowel in "Harry" as in "hair" (as I do).
>
> >Nup. He'd be called Haz, maybe Hazza or Hazzers, if anything. Harry
> >isn't pronounced Hairy ;) (The vowel is different (/e:/, not /{/) in
> >Sarah, that's why it stays different when the R is lost.)
>
>
> That brings up another Brit thing-- addition of -er(s). I've heard (TV
> shows, upper class context) "brekker" for breakfast, "champers" for
> Champagne. This, like the William > Wills thing, is entirely lacking in US
> speech AFAIK, except among those who aspire to upper-class
> Anglophilia.......;-))
How about -y/-ie and -o, as well? (Like 'Aussie', 'metho' (methylated
spirits).) (For the record, we have 'brekky' down here and champagne's
always said in full IME. Or pronounced /tS{:m"p{gni/.)
Tristan.
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