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On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:37 am, Tristan wrote:
> Elyse Grasso wrote:
> > r, l, w, y: rabbit, letter, wet, yellow. I'm sure they are on the
chart
> > somewhere...
>
> /r\/ (alveolar or retroflex approximate), /l/ (alveolar or dental
> lateral approximate), /w/ and /j/ (palatal approximate). w isn't in
the
> pulmonic consonants chart with the rest of them, being a labio-velar
> approximate (there's no labio-velar column). It sits with a bunch of
> other stuff somewhere else.
>
snip
>
> > ll and rr are front and back trills rather than flaps.
>
> For the rr, do you mean sort of like the French r? Then it'd be an
> uvular trill /R\/.
>
> > ll is sort of Welsh-sounding.
>
> Can't help you there, sorry.
>
> Tristan.
>
>
Thanks for the r, l, and w.
I did some googling.... Welsh ll is X-SAMPA /K/. But I suspect I want
the voiced version /K\/, which is apparently found in Zulu. (The people
creating X-SAMPA were obviously running out of letters...'K'?)
/R\/ is probably as close as a human is going to get to a Shayanan rr.
Is the y in yellow really /j/? Palatal seemed too far back when I was
originally looking at the charts. I need to get the sound files working
or buy the IPA CD, I guess.
--
Elyse Grasso
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