----- Original Message -----
From: "Rachel Klippenstein" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Personal Conjugation based on Closeness


> --- Tristan wrote:
> > t'Fri, 28 Mar 2003 "H. S. Teoh" bsaidsiem:
> >
> > > - uncles and aunts who are cousins of your parents
> > (as opposed to
> > >   siblings) are called by different terms as well.
> >
> > Since when have they counted as aunts and uncles?
> > Aren't they cousins?
> > (I've never understood what things like 'second
> > cousin three times
> > removed' means, though.) Or do they count as a
> > subset of aunts and
> > uncles in Chinese, hence that grouping?
> > Tristan                  <[log in to unmask]>
>
> In the "Xth cousin Y times removed" terminology, your
> parents' cousins are your first cousins once removed
> (they're your parents' (first) cousins, and that is
> the last generation you can look at where they are of
> the same generation.  You are one generation
> different, which is where the "once removed" comes in.
>  The relation goes both ways, so you are also their
> first cousin once removed.  I don't know if I
> explained this understandably, though.).  But I think
> most people don't know this terminology.  It's one
> thing I learnt from the Lord of the RIngs (thanks to
> the Hobbits' great concern for genealogy)
>
> But in my family, we always called such relatives
> "cousin-aunts" and "cousin-uncles" - and referred to
> them as Aunt/Uncle so-and-so.  And we, naturally were
> their cousin-nieces and cousin-nephews.
>

So the children of your first cousins once removed are your second cousins?