On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 19:52:41 -0500, Roger Mills <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>J. 'Mach' Wust wrote:
>> > --- Ray Brown <[log in to unmask]> skrev:
>> >> That was the /r/ used by Hitler, as you hear on
>> >> ancient newsreels. It may be - I don't know - that
>> >> this accounts for its  demise in the last half
>> >> century.
>>
>> As I've said, I think the accent used in these ancient newsreels was just
>> the standard media accent of that time, for nazis as well as for
>> communists or democrats. We just happen to hear more nazi newsreels than
>> other ones (which is sad if you think about it).
>
>Hitler was Austrian IIRC and began his political rise in Bavaria. Is the
>trilled r possibly a southern feature?

I don't know how the /r/ is realized in Bavarian dialects. Hitler, however,
didn't have no Bavarian in his speech. He spoke just the standard media
accent of his time.

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On Fri, 5 Nov 2004 03:48:34 +0100, Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Quoting John Cowan <[log in to unmask]>:
>
>> Roger Mills scripsit:
>>
>> > --almost an American /r/ in final position in unstressed words like
>> > der, einer, though it's possible it's uvular and doesn't come thru the
>> > recording process well. The first word of "Cäsars Tod"-- Rom -- sounds
>> > very American.
>>
>> It's probably [a], which is a common realization of -er; non-syllabic [a]
>> is likewise a common realization of -r that is not -er.
>
>I'd say it's normally a centralish [6].

Normally, yes, though in sung speech (or other over-explicit
pronunciations), that sound be split up into a schwa-like part and an
[R]-like part.

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j. 'mach' wust