Hi there,
At 08:17 AM 26/08/2005, Nick Finke wrote:
>Having said this, I find myself coming to a conclusion similar to Rafal's.
>I would like an element that does <quote><text><body> in one element. This
>would indicate that the enclosed material is foreign matter of some sort
>with its own internal structure and allow when needed <head>s and <div>s
>and other good stuff.
I think it's important to distinguish between two potential types of
inclusion here. The Pooh text includes the "embedded" document in its
regular flow, but there are also many situations where external
documents are enclosed (pictures pasted on a page, letters stapled
into a diary, a shopping list used as a bookmark, etc.) which are
much clearer cases of distinct texts, which can more convincingly be
represented as "floating". Any solution to this problem (if we
believe there is a problem) would need to allow us to distinguish
these situations.
There's also the issue in many texts of whether (due to unreliability
of narrator, etc.) an embedded text should be treated as being free
of the regular flow. Would we conspire with an untruthful narrator to
give legitimacy to the discrete existence of a text that may be a
figment of his imagination?
Cheers,
Martin
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>Lou Burnard wrote:
>
> > <p>This was what Rabbit read out:
> > <quote>
> > <p>
> > PLAN TO CAPTURE BABY ROO
> > </p>
> > <p>....</p>
> > </quote>
>
>I would suggest that this case really needs to employ the
><quote><text><body> dance step precisely because "PLAN TO CAPTURE BABY ROO"
>is obviously a <head> and not a <p>, at least not in my (admittedly rigid
>and antiquated) view of what a paragraph is. I have (for what seems like
>eons) been reviewing and correcting the markup of a bunch of 19th century
>texts where the real helpful folks who did the basic markup give me this
>kind of stuff all the time because it makes the text parse and I have had
>to add the elements that better reflect the way the text is put together.
>Using <p> simply to indicate a break in the presentation is much too close
>to bad old HTML ways of doing things.
>
>Having said this, I find myself coming to a conclusion similar to Rafal's.
>I would like an element that does <quote><text><body> in one element. This
>would indicate that the enclosed material is foreign matter of some sort
>with its own internal structure and allow when needed <head>s and <div>s
>and other good stuff. I have been working on this idea in the context of
>quoted letters, a feature of more 19th century texts than I ever believed
>possible, but it could be generalized to cover other cases as well. I'm
>not sure I want to call it a <div>, because that indicates to me that the
>bunch of text in question plays some sort of structural role in the
>enclosing text, which it really doesn't.
>
>Ciao!
>
>Nick
>
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