John Vertical wrote:


>>2.2.2. Consonant gradation
>
>>(d) A plosive-lateral or ejective-lateral sequence at the onset of an
>>     open syllable corresponds to a voiced plosive with lateral release
>>     at the onset of a closed syllable (e.g. [p_hl_w] : [b_l],
>>     [p_>l_w] : [b_l], [bl_w] : [b_l]). (That is, if I can actually
>>     learn to pronounce those lateral-release stops. ;)
>
>I'm fairly sure [b_l] is impossible... unless you can twist your lower lip 
>to a "W" shape?

Personnally, I can. I've never understood why lateral labials were classed 
as impossible, I close my lips only at the center and open the two sides (or 
only one, that's easier and still is a lateral) and produce stops, 
fricatives, glides... The sounds are not very different of their central 
equivalents and are harder to produce but they exist.

But lateral bilabial release sounds more like [w] than [l], because it is a 
lateral [w]. Is there an IPA/X-SAMPA symbol that only means lateralized? it 
would be simpler to indicate, say, the velar or uvular lateral fricatives as 
/x_(symbol)/ and /G_(symbol)/, the lateral stops as /t_(symbol)/ and 
/d_(symbol)/(is there really a way to indicate a lateral dental/alveolar 
stop? or is it exactly as a lateral release?)

- Max