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>From: "Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]>
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>On 6/4/06, Tim May <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> So how is it transitive? What kind of construction is this used in?
>> Isn't it just an antipassive?
>
>OK, maybe it's intransitive. I just tend to think of transitivity as
>a semantic property rather than a syntactic one.
A common problem, and the source of several long and rambunctious discussions here and elsewhere. There are a number of terms, like this, that have similar but not always identical meanings across several domains of linguistics, or even science in general.
I recall a rather heated discussion on this list that ultimately hinged on two incompatible meanings of the word "arbitrary" not so long ago, and there was a post on the Language Log just a couple of days ago that relied on the difference between the layman's definition of "vocalize" as "produce vocally", compared to the phonetician's definition as "turn into a vowel", which seemed to actually quite stymie the poster until it was discussed in the comments to the post.
Science, in general, I feel, is a terminological mess, with new definitions for old words being added just about as fast and minutely as possible. If it were in any a plausible suggestion, I'd recommend an Egyptian / Japanese / Mayan-inspired set of semantic "determinatives", obligatorily tacked onto any term that exists across multiple domains of discourse. IMO far more needed than a spelling reform, and it would also complement any reform that increases the number of homonyms/homophones.
Paul
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