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CONLANG  September 2006, Week 5

CONLANG September 2006, Week 5

Subject:

Point of View and Empathy

From:

Christopher Bates <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 29 Sep 2006 14:26:36 +0100

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This is a cross post from the ZBB, about a subject that I've spent the 
last day or so obsessing about. :)

-----------------------------

So I've been thinking a lot about Point of View and Empathy ever since 
it briefly came up in a conversation I was having by email with Thomas H 
Chappell. I also thought that it might be an interesting area of 
experimentation for a conlang... a project to make a non-insane, 
non-sexist version of Laadan.
In Person, Anna Siewierska links logophoricity and long distance 
reflexives as being related to point of view (in particular, 
logophoricity is a way of keeping the original speaker's point of view 
in indirect speech). For instance, she gives these examples from 
Japanese of long distance reflexives:

(80)
(a) Yamada wa kare o nikunde iru onna to kekkoniste simatta
Yamada TOP him ACC hating is woman with marrying end up

(b) Yamada wa zibun o nikunde iru onna to kekkoniste simatta
Yamada TOP self ACC hating is woman with marrying end up

"Yamada ended up marrying a woman who hated him"

Anna Sierwierska quotes Kuno as saying:

Semantically, these two sentences are different in that while (80a) is a 
sentence in which the speaker gives an objective description of what 
happened by placing himself at a distance from Yamada, (80b) gives the 
impression that the speaker is omniscient and has identified himself 
with Yamada. The latter sentence ordinarily implies that Yamada knew at 
the time of marriage the woman he married hated him, or that he later 
came to know it.

Closely linked to POV is, I think, the point in space-time that acts a 
referent point. Devices or uses that may, IMO, reflect a change of POV are:

(i) "relative" tense (or rather, tense not relative to the present), 
that is, use of tense markers relative to a contextually specified time 
and location rather than the current time and location. This occurs in, 
for example, Barbareño according to Mithun in "The Languages of Native 
North America".

(ii) "relative" location (for lack of a better term). That is, words 
like "come" or "go" usually situation motion relative to the current 
location of the speaker, but in English and many other languages they 
may also locate motion relative to some contextually specified location. 
I am unsure if all, or even the majority, of languages allow this, or 
whether any language has special verb forms or morphology to mark the 
different between speaker centric current place motion vs motion 
relative to some other time and place

There are also various other factors (in fact, most things in 
linguistics) that could potentially involve point of view. An issue that 
occured to me in English is which referent, exactly, secondary 
predications of emotion are attached to. For instance:

the king left the room disgusted

seems to me to ordinarily require that either the king's or the room's 
point of view is adopted. If I try adding "bloody", which, as a 
perjorative, normally indicates a positive lack of empathy, then the 
first reading is blocked for me at least:

??the bloody king left the room disgusted (the king was disgusted)

the bloody king left the room disgusted (the room was disgusted)

It seems to me that giving the emotional state in this way requires 
empathy more generally, and often the point of view of the entity 
exhibiting the emotion to be adopted. English does not present, in this 
situation, any easy, fairly minimal way of indicating the speaker's 
emotions when their point of view is adopted as narrator. For instance:

the king left disgusted

CANNOT be read as "the king left (I was disgusted)". The other obvious 
alternative:

the king left disgustingly

is too action orientated; that is, it is the manner of the king's 
departure which might disgust the speaker, rather than the sentence 
simply specifying the speaker's state during (because of) the departure 
itself. Generally, in English, one must use an unwieldy construction for 
this:

I was disgusted that the king left

OR

I was disgusted when the king left

This also has the unfortunate sideaffect of foregrounding the emotion 
and backgrounding the event, which is not at all what we intended (the 
leaving should be the foregrounded event). There are languages which 
have morphology or particles specifically to specify the speaker's 
attitude towards an event. According to Payne, Mapudugun has such a 
system of verb morphology:

(81)
(a)θalílaenew "He/she didn't greet me"
(b)talílaenew "Poor me; He/she didn't greet me"
(c)t̪al̪íl̪aen̪ew "That fool didn't greet me"

However, these seem to have the opposite problem: they are fixed as 
speaker orientated, rather than being relative to the point of view 
adopted.
Finally, a Papuan language Oksapmin actually has verb morphology to mark 
point of view adopted during an event:

su-yaa-0
kill-PL.IM.PAST-ACTOR'S VIEW
"they have just killed it" (their viewpoint)

su-yaa-he
kill-PL.IM.PAST-OTHER'S VIEW
"they have just killed it" (someone else's view)

This is apparently used to great effect in telling stories, but it is 
unclear what other categories are affected by a change in the viewpoint 
adopted.
I am very interested in what devices languages use to mark a new POV, 
and to what extent grammaticalized marking can be adjusted to conform to 
the new POV rather than the speaker's point of view. English, for 
example, for the most part does not permit relative tense, and seems to 
have unreliable and limited structures at best for marking a new view 
point, or describing things from that viewpoint. I have heard it 
suggested that the proximate-obviate distinction in some Amerindian 
languages and the Triggers of Tagalog are related to viewpoint and 
empathy, although I am not sure I am convinced by either argument.
What do you all think?

----------------------------

Another thing often correlated with Empathy and POV is use of pronouns 
vs other forms and even possession. For instance, the following examples 
or similar seem to be given in many books:

John's brother hit him (John's POV is adopted)
Bill hit his brother (Bill's POV is adopted)
Bill hit John (neutral POV)

In the top two, one of the participants is anchored or specified in 
terms of the other.

----------------------------

In Japanese also the choice of verb forms may reflect empathy in some 
cases according to "The Science of Linguistics in the Art of 
Translation" (Google Book Search). The following examples are given:

"(3.17) Consider a situation that can be described as follows:
[23] Taroo helped Hanako
The same situation can be described in Japanese in at least the 
following three ways:
[24a] Taroo ga Hanako o tasuketa
Taroo SUBJ Hanaka OBJ helped
[24b] Taroo ga Hanako o tasukete yatta
Taroo SUBJ Hanaka OBJ helping gave
[24c] Taroo ga Hanako o tasukete kureta
Taroo SUBJ Hanaka OBJ helping gave

Example [24a] represents an objective description of the situation, and 
because of this, it is seldom used in colloquial speech. In [24b], yatta 
(subject centred) is used as the matrix verb, coupled with the 
continuative form tasukete "helping" of tasukeru "help". This sentence 
represents the speaker's empathy towards Taroo: namely, it shows that 
the speaker is describing the event by placing himself closer to Taroo 
than Hanako. On the other hand, in [24c] the non-subject centred verb 
kureta is used. This sentence represents the speaker's empathy with 
Hanako: it shows that the speaker is describing the event from Hanako's 
angle".

So Japanese seems to have various limited ways of marking empathy and 
POV, including choice of verb and long distance reflexives.

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