While I agree that a signature marks a quire break rather than a page 
break, you cannot have a quire break without also having a page break.

Maybe one could use the @type attribute to distinguish page breaks which 
are also quirebreaks from those which are not?

<pb n="40"/>
<pb n="A1" type="signature"/>
<pb n="42"/>

Of course this doesn't help with the fact that a quirebreak may have 
both a signature number and a page number printed on it; nor does it 
help with catchwords, unless you want to bung them into the @n value too

<pb n="A1[The]1" type="signature"/>

and it all starts to get a bit messy.

"The global n attribute indicates the number or other value associated 
with the page which follows. This will normally be the page number or 
signature printed on it, since the physical sequence number is implicit 
in the presence of the pb  element itself."

Note that this suggests you should not have more than one <pb/> to mark 
the same page break event, even if they're of different types.  This is 
not true of milestones, though, so maybe that's a better solution

<milestone unit="quire" n="A1"/>
<milestone unit="page" n="41"/>

I don't think this helps much with catchwords though, since they're not 
really units: using @rend is not such a bad idea -- the catchword is a 
way of representing the page that's coming up.

Nah, stick with <fw>!

Croenen, Godfried wrote:
> You could have the signature/catchword as value for rend@, but this is a clumsy way of encoding it, and you could of course only put one or the other thing there (and be consistent in which one you encode like that).
> 
> I would argue that catchword is connected to a quire break rather than a page break, and therefore should be a rend attribute on <milestone type="quirebreak"/>.
> 
> The better way is of course to use <fw> which allows you to include further encoding within the text of the signature/catch word etc. (like <num>, <hi> etc.)
> 
> Godfried 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: TEI (Text Encoding Initiative) public discussion list
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Hawkins
>> Sent: 24 March 2009 13:11
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>> Subject: signatures and catchwords in <pb>?
>>
>> All,
>>
>> 11.7 of the the Guidelines say that "matter associated with the page
>> break (signature, catchword, page number) should be drawn into the pb
>> element as attributes: see section 3.10 Reference Systems":
>>
>> http://www.tei-c.org/release/doc/tei-p5-doc/en/html/PH.html#PHSK
>>
>> However, I don't see a way to include either a signature or a catchword
>> on a pb element.  Am I missing something?
>>
>> Kevin