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On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 12:05 PM, Peter Bleackley
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> staving Andreas Johansson:
>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>
>>
>> >>
>> >> http://ling.auf.net/lingBuzz/000411
>> >
>> > An interesting paper (though I so far have only glanced over it,
>> > and saved it for later more thorough reading), and one I feel
>> > vindicated by, as I have always suspected that Everett perpetrated
>> > a hoax. The kind of underdeveloped language and culture Everett
>> > describes would fit Neanderthal or H. erectus survivals, but
>> > in South America, there never has been any non-sapiens hominids
>> > (as far as we know at least), so it raised a red flag in my mind.
>>
>> In fairness to Everett, he did write that "[n]o one should draw the
>> conclusion from this paper that the Pirahã language is in any way
>> 'primitive.'". Presumably this means he thinks* that the "gaps" in
>> Piraha are secondary.
>>
>
> As the MIT authors point out, this statement runs counter to everything else
> that he says about Piraha. After all, if a two-year-old child can understand
> a sentence as complex as "This is the farmer, sowing his corn, that kept the
> cock that crowed in the morn that waked the priest all shaven and shorn that
> married the man all tattered and torn that kissed the maiden all forlorn
> that milked the cow with the crumpled horn that tossed the dog that worried
> the cat that chased the rat that ate the malt that lay in the house that
> Jack built," what are we to make of an entire culture who cannot formulate
> the sentence, "This is the house that Jack built," other than that their
> cognitive apparatus is somehow deficient?
Everett would surely claim that the deficiency is cultural, not
biological. But even if it is biological - if the Piraha lack some
aspect of neural wiring the rest of us have - it doesn't follow that
they're primitive in the sense of exhibiting an ancestral trait. They
could have started out normal and somehow lost that hypothetical piece
of wiring.
--
Andreas Johansson
Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?
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