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--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Verbs that agree with more than the subject
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 3:44 PM
> Hallo!
>
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:43:03 -0400, Paul Roser wrote:
>
> > At any rate, I don't believe that polypersonal markers
> must be fused (as in
> > Klingon,
> > Hixkaryana or Mohawk, IIRC). In fact, some
> polypersonal-marking languages
> > put one
> > marker before the verb stem and the other marker after
> it, so SUBJ-VERB-OBJ.
>
> Indeed. There are many languages with agglutinating
> polypersonal
> marking. AFMCL, Old Albic does just that. Both
> markers are suffixes,
> the subject following the object: _lobachama_ 'I love you'
> is composed
> of the verb stem lub- (with a-umlaut due to the following
> /a/),
> present tense marker -a-, 2nd person singular objective
> suffix -cha
> and 1st person singular agentive suffix -ma.
>
> ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
I will say this on the subject: in my experience, if multiple prefixes are brought into contact by agglutination, they will tend to fuse over time; and will tend to remain distinct if they are not. It's probably the case that, given enough time, most or all touching prefixes will fuse; phonetic developments can either impede this or help it along, but when you see a language with touching-but-distinct pronominals, the marking system is probably relatively recent in origin. One way we know the ancientness of the Iroquoian system, e.g., is by the pervasive fusion of the prefixes; the Iroquoian forms likely predate even Proto-Iroquoian, and go back to the days when the family was associated with Siouxan.
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