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On Oct 1, 2009, at 6:04 PM, Charlie wrote:
> --- In [log in to unmask], Eldin Raigmore <eldin_raigmore@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Are "cybernetics" and "gubernatorial", related words?
>>
>> If so, what other words (in any language) are also related to them?
>>
>> Do both come from some root meaning "helmsman"?
>>
>> <http://www.yourdictionary.com/cybernetics>
>> says
>> "Etymology: coined (1948) by Norbert Wiener < Gr kybernçtçs, helmsman
>> (<kybernan, to steer, govern) + -ics"
>>
>> and
>> <http://www.yourdictionary.com/gubernatorial>
>> says
>> "Etymology: L gubernator, helmsman, governor < pp. of gubernare (see
>> govern) + -ial"
>> .
>>
>> <http://www.yourdictionary.com/govern>
>> says
>> "Etymology: ME governen < OFr gouverner < L gubernare, to pilot (a
>> ship),
>> direct, guide < Gr kybernan, to steer, govern, prob. of non-IE
>> orig.".
>>
>> So, from what non-IE language did it prob. orig.?
>>
>
> AHD:
> "govern" from Latin "gubernare", to direct, steer, from Greek
> "kubernan" of unknown origin. See also "cybernetics."
>
> "cybernetics" from Greek "kuberne:te:s", pilot, governor, from
> "kubernan", etc.
>
> As far as I can tell those are the only two derivatives. The AHD
> doesn't give any others.
The strange thing is the /k/ /g/ alternation. Perhaps Latin borrowed
it very early, since the letter <C> originally stood for both /k/ and /
g/. I'm not sure how prone the ancient Romans were to confuse the two
*sounds*, though.
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