Hi Markus,

 > (2) On the other hand, why are <gi>persName</gi> and
 > <gi>placeName</gi> members of att.datable ("provides attributes for
 > normalization of elements that contain dates, times, or datable
 > events"), att.dimensions ("provides attributes for describing the size
 > of physical objects"), or att.ranging ("provides attributes for
 > describing numerical ranges")? Does anyone make any use of that? (If
 > so, how?)

In our Despatches project, the names of geographical locations are in 
flux over the period of our documents, and later. For instance, what is 
now Mount Douglas was originally called Cedar Hill; nowadays Cedar Hill 
is the name of a district which doesn't actually include Mount Doug. I 
can see a lot of value in:

<placeName xml:id="mount_douglas" notBefore="1843">Mount Douglas</placeName>

<placeName key="mount_douglas" notAfter="1843">Cedar Hill</placeName>

to both disambiguate and link together the two terms for the place. 
Similarly, we have somefirst-nations place names recorded with wildly 
variant spellings, which later are replaced by English names.

There are also lots of scenarios in which you might want to record the 
dimensions of a place (Fort Victoria, for instance -- we have plans of 
the fort from various points in its history). I can't at the moment 
think of much use for numerical ranges, though.

A <persName> might use dating attributes for similar reasons -- names 
change through marriage or inheritance of a title, or are changed for 
other reasons.

Cheers,
Martin

Markus Flatscher wrote:
> Dear list,
> 
> comparing the declarations for <gi>persName</gi> [1] and its
> syntactic-sugar friends with the old generic <gi>name</gi> [2] makes
> me wonder why the declaration of <gi>name</gi> is so much more
> restrictive.
> 
> Specifically, I wonder:
> 
> (1) Shouldn't <gi>name</gi> be a member of att.responsibility, like
> <gi>persName</gi>? I can imagine use cases for @cert on <gi>name</gi>.
> 
> (2) On the other hand, why are <gi>persName</gi> and
> <gi>placeName</gi> members of att.datable ("provides attributes for
> normalization of elements that contain dates, times, or datable
> events"), att.dimensions ("provides attributes for describing the size
> of physical objects"), or att.ranging ("provides attributes for
> describing numerical ranges")? Does anyone make any use of that? (If
> so, how?)
> 
> Thanks everyone,
> 
> M.
> 
> [1]
> element persName
> {
>    att.global.attributes,
>    att.datable.w3c.attributes,
>    att.datable.iso.attributes,
>    att.editLike.attributes,
>    att.dimensions.attributes,
>    att.ranging.attributes,
>    att.responsibility.attributes,
>    att.personal.attributes,
>    att.naming.attributes,
>    att.canonical.attributes,
>    att.typed.attributes,
>    macro.phraseSeq
> }
> 
> [2]
> element name
> {
>    att.global.attributes,
>    att.naming.attributes,
>    att.canonical.attributes,
>    att.typed.attributes,
>    macro.phraseSeq
> }
> 

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