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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Padraic Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> --- On Sun, 4/17/11, Michael Everson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > > Padraic Brown wrote
> > > (
> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?A2=ind1104c&L=conlang&T=0&F=&S=&P=1703
> ):
> > >
> > >> Why couldn't clicks or whistles or other
> > "non-phonemic" sounds evolve in
> > >> some future version of English either into actual
> > phonemes or into
> > >> something else that carries specific meaning?
> >
> > We use three clicks in English quite regularly. We use a
> > lateral click [ǁ] to urge horses, and a dental click [ǀ]
> > to express pity or disapproval (tsk-tsk or tut-tut), and a
> > bilabial click [ʘ] to make a kissing noise or to catch the
> > attention of a cat.
>
> Yes, those are the ones I mentioned. And thank you for adding the bilabial
> click, and also for showing me how to spell them! Though, the first two
> look alike -- is that an error, or are they spelled alike?
>
The lateral click is two vertical pipes in IPA. The dental click is one
vertical pipe.
>
> > They're not phonemes used in word-formation, but they are
> > widespread and meaningful. (There is of course some drift in
> > terms of usage scenarios, but the ones described are quite
> > common.)
>
> Yes. The question is: is there a strong reason why these clicks must or
> can nòt become phonemes used in word formation?
>
> If we can turn a T into a glottal, why not turn a K into a dental click?
>
> > Michael Everson
>
> Padraic
> ---
> quatrevi, quafiri londinno muntu ogronu.
>
> Of plants, for Man’s health mint (is) best.
>
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window; golden chains from star to star, and I dance. --Arthur Rimbaud
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