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Hallo conlangers!
On Wednesday 10 August 2011 13:01:37, Matthew Boutilier wrote:
> > There are a handful of other s-like graphs in Unicode, but they're too
> > obscure and/or ugly. I eliminate 'ş' because I associate it too
> > closely with [ʃ]. Of the others I'm partial to either 'ś' or 'š', and
> > leaning towards the former. Other opinions?
>
> IMO too many people also associate <š> with /ʃ/ - at least anyone who has
> had any contact with any semitic language ever. don't some slavic
> languages use <š> for that value as well?
Indeed, all Slavic languages with Latin orthographies except
Polish. Also, Lithuanian and Latvian. I think it was the Czechs
who invented this.
> of the two, i'd pick <ś> as well. but look into the other suggestions...
>
> > IIRC Basque uses "s" vs "x" for its two sibilants. (I don't remember
> > which is which, though.)
>
> aren't the basque sibilants also contrasted with apical and laminal?
> ach wiki confirms: basque in fact has three such sibilants (usually, in
> general): z is laminal, s is apical, and x is your basic /ʃ/.
Yes. The same with Old Spanish (whence the Basques adopted the
orthographic convention of using _z_, _s_ and _x_ for the three
sibilants), also the Albic language I mentioned yesterday.
All these languages, however, lack /z/, so they can use _z_ for
the lamino-dental sibilant. Jesse has /z/ in his conlang, and
probably wants it to be spelled _z_, so he has to take another
solution. (The lamino-dental sibilant in the Albic language
mentioned above has a similar history.)
> for what it's worth, old- and middle high german use <z> and <s> for two
> phonemes, that later merged (kinda-sorta), that were probably contrasted
> laminally and apically respectively. (i wrote a paper on this once.)
Yes. OHG _z_ spells a phoneme that resulted from /t/ by way
of the High German consonant shift and was different from /s/
in some way (probably by being lamino-dental rather than
apico-alveolar), but later merged with /s/.
--
... brought to you by the Weeping Elf
http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
"Bêsel asa Êm, a Êm atha cvanthal a cvanth atha Êmel." - SiM 1:1
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