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On 28/11/2011 16:27, Alex Fink wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Nov 2011 20:40:57 +0000, R A Brow wrote:
>
[snip]
>>
>> Also other comments welcomed.
>
> Well, alright, I did have one question, earlier. You
> asserted that this problem of approximant contrasts is
> only relevant to high vowels preceding <a>. Why doesn't
> it also arise with<iu> vs.<iy>,
<iu> = /jiwu/ ~ iy = /jiju/
> or<ui> vs.<ue>?
<ui> = /wuji/ ~ <ue> = /wuwi/
> Do you insist that the former members of those pairs must
> be realised [iwu] and [uji]?
Almost - I had decided that only CV syllables will be
allowed; thus even the initial have a semi-vocalic onset.
>
> On the main point, it still seems to me that allowing [?]
> and/or [h] as an allophone everywhere zero is allowed
> would work fine,
I have disallowed zero onset. I could reinstate it, but at
the moment I still feel /j/ and /w/ (I have allowed
allophones of /w/) are the preferable option before /i/ and
/u/ respectively.
> and would be compatible added on to with whatever other
> range of realisations the initial consonant of <a> might
> have.
I had considered /?/ with allophones [?], [h] and [ɦ]; tho
none of those sounds are approximants (but [ɦ]] comes close
to one). But to allow [?] and [h] with the sounds I've
already allowed for /ʕ/ should logically also permit [k],
[x], [q] and [χ] as well.
I think my options are either the "guttural" approximant
(including voiced fricatives) range that I currently
specify, or simply have "any pharyngeal or glottal" onset,
i.e. [?], [h], [ɦ], [ħ] or [ʕ]. I don't think the two
systems will mix.
> I haven't been following this thread closely enough to
> know why you dislike that option, though, so you needn't
> respond if it's tedious to.
Far too excited to get a reply to find it tedious :)
--
Ray
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