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Hallo conlangers!
On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:48:39 -0400 Herman Miller wrote:
> [...]
>
> The current explanation for the history of /ë/ and /y/ that I'm working
> out is that they were allophones of the front vowels /e/ and /i/
> adjacent to sounds produced in the back of the throat (possibly uvular,
> pharyngeal, or epiglottal sounds of some kind, which were lost). So a
> word like /kwëna/ "to hear" would be < /kweHna/, where /H/ represents a
> sound that causes /e/ to be pronounced [@].
That sounds plausible. Uvulars, pharyngeals and epiglottals are
all likely to cause backing of front vowels. That of course does
not rule out the possibility that *some* of the relevant tokens
resulted from the unrounding of /o/ and /u/. Your nonfront
unrounded vowels may have two different origins!
> It could potentially be the
> same sound that alters /r/ and /l/ to the voiceless /ŕ/ and /ł/ in the
> modern language, as in the word "xyŕa" (from *xiHra?) But the problem
> with that is words like "lërvi": *lHervi would produce /łërvi/, and
> *leHrvi would produce /lëŕvi/. (Besides, *sl and *sr are looking more
> plausible as an origin for /ł/ and /ŕ/.)
Yes, if such problems occur, it is probably not the same sound.
*sl and *sr indeed look very plausible as an origin for /ł/ and
/ŕ/. There is no need to ascribe these to the same sound as the
nonfront unrounded vowels.
> [...]
>
> > Keep in mind also that /@/ and /1/ need not have developed by parallel
> > courses.
> >
> > Alex
>
> Yes, that's a good point. One option I've been considering is an
> original vowel system of /a/ /i/ /u/ /@/, with various splits and
> mergers that I haven't worked out. I don't have any particularly good
> reason for those four vowels except for symmetry, and the idea that /a/
> /e/ /i/ /o/ /u/ is too ordinary of a vowel system.
What is wrong with /a e i o u/, except that is has been used so
often (including natlangs)? But if you think it is overused,
do something different. If you start with /a i u @/, you can
first split each of the four vowel phonemes vertically:
/a/ > /a ~ @1/
/i/ > /e ~ i/
/u/ > /o ~ u/
/@/ > /@2 ~ 1/
Then merge /@1/ and /@2/, and you have the 7-vowel system of
Tirelat.
--
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2000, Week 1 October 2000, Week 5 October 2000, Week 4 October 2000, Week 3 October 2000, Week 2 October 2000, Week 1 September 2000, Week 5 September 2000, Week 4 September 2000, Week 3 September 2000, Week 2 September 2000, Week 1 August 2000, Week 5 August 2000, Week 4 August 2000, Week 3 August 2000, Week 2 August 2000, Week 1 July 2000, Week 5 July 2000, Week 4 July 2000, Week 3 July 2000, Week 2 July 2000, Week 1 June 2000, Week 5 June 2000, Week 4 June 2000, Week 3 June 2000, Week 2 June 2000, Week 1 May 2000, Week 5 May 2000, Week 4 May 2000, Week 3 May 2000, Week 2 May 2000, Week 1 April 2000, Week 5 April 2000, Week 4 April 2000, Week 3 April 2000, Week 2 April 2000, Week 1 March 2000, Week 5 March 2000, Week 4 March 2000, Week 3 March 2000, Week 2 March 2000, Week 1 February 2000, Week 5 February 2000, Week 4 February 2000, Week 3 February 2000, Week 2 February 2000, Week 1 January 2000, Week 5 January 2000, Week 4 January 2000, Week 3 January 2000, Week 2 January 2000, Week 1 December 1999, Week 5 December 1999, Week 4 December 1999, Week 3 December 1999, Week 2 December 1999, Week 1 November 1999, Week 5 November 1999, Week 4 November 1999, Week 3 November 1999, Week 2 November 1999, Week 1 October 1999, Week 5 October 1999, Week 4 October 1999, Week 3 October 1999, Week 2 October 1999, Week 1 September 1999, Week 5 September 1999, Week 4 September 1999, Week 3 September 1999, Week 2 September 1999, Week 1 August 1999, Week 5 August 1999, Week 4 August 1999, Week 3 August 1999, Week 2 August 1999, Week 1 July 1999, Week 5 July 1999, Week 4 July 1999, Week 3 July 1999, Week 2 July 1999, Week 1 June 1999, Week 5 June 1999, Week 4 June 1999, Week 3 June 1999, Week 2 June 1999, Week 1 May 1999, Week 5 May 1999, Week 4 May 1999, Week 3 May 1999, Week 2 May 1999, Week 1 April 1999, Week 5 April 1999, Week 4 April 1999, Week 3 April 1999, Week 2 April 1999, Week 1 March 1999, Week 5 March 1999, Week 4 March 1999, Week 3 March 1999, Week 2 March 1999, Week 1 February 1999, Week 5 February 1999, Week 4 February 1999, Week 3 February 1999, Week 2 February 1999, Week 1 January 1999, Week 5 January 1999, Week 4 January 1999, Week 3 January 1999, Week 2 January 1999, Week 1 December 1998, Week 5 December 1998, Week 4 December 1998, Week 3 December 1998, Week 2 December 1998, Week 1 November 1998, Week 5 November 1998, Week 4 November 1998, Week 3 November 1998, Week 2 November 1998, Week 1 October 1998, Week 5 October 1998, Week 4 October 1998, Week 3 October 1998, Week 2 October 1998, Week 1 September 1998, Week 5 September 1998, Week 4 September 1998, Week 3
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