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That's really interesting, Armin! I'm a native English speaker and as
far as I can tell, I form those two sounds identically, with little or
no lip-rounding.
On 5/30/12, Armin Buch <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Am Dienstag, den 29.05.2012, 19:43 -0400 schrieb Andrew Jarrette:
>> On Tue, 29 May 2012 02:07:50 -0700, David Peterson <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >
>> >-Several German speakers I've met pronounce English words beginning with
>> > "v" with a [w], despite the fact that German "w" is pronounced [v],
>> > *and* German appears to lack [w] as a consonant entirely. (And German
>> > "v" is pronounced [f], not [w].)
>> >
>>
>> I feel that German speakers should be able to pronounce [w] and
>> distinguish it from [v] because their <u> in <sauer>, <bauer>, etc. is
>> pronounced the same as an English [w]. I know that it is part of a
>> diphthong, but that diphthong is the same as /aw/ in English <tower>,
>> <shower> etc. All they have to do is to transpose the <u> in <sauer>,
>> <bauer> etc. to initial position before a vowel.
>
> Not the same thing a bit.
>
> If I exchange the [w] in "water" for the [w] in "sauer", it sounds way
> off. At least in my pronunciation of English, syllable initial [w] is
> formed primarily by lip rounding, the tongue being in position for the
> following vowel. For the vowel [u] lip rounding is a secondary feature.
> Lip closure doesn't suffice here to mark it as a semi-vowel.
>
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