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TEI-L  December 1992

TEI-L December 1992

Subject:

Re: getting sgml to work

From:

Erik Naggum <[log in to unmask]>

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Erik Naggum <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 2 Dec 1992 16:14:06 CST

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[Peter Flynn]
|
|   ><!-- This is cross-posted to SGML-L@DHDURZ1, TEI-L@UICVM and
|   >     CURIA-L@IRLEARN, despite the valient attempts of the LISTSERV
|   >     software to make it completely impossible to reply to
|   >     cross-posted messages. -->
|
|   How? In obeying RFC822? <*grin*>
 
No, by precisely _not_ obeying RFC 822.  LISTSERV clobbers the headers,
removes secondary recipients, and redirects the message to the
individual subscriber, so that one cannot reply to the sender only,
cannot reply to all lists to which it was sent, and cannot refer to the
message by its Message-ID, since LISTSERV in its ininite wisdom defaults
to stripping it.  This isn't exactly the topic of either of the lists to
which I'm _attempting_ to post this (instead of just posting it, we have
LISTSERV in between intention and result), but LISTSERV is doing the
Wrong Thing, and has been for years, in violation of RFC 822, RFC 1123
and the oral tradition in the Internet.  LISTSERV, for all its good
sides, is a major pain to deal with in practice.
 
|   I have no doubt SGMLS is doing the right thing. SGML does have this
|   major deficiency in its [in]capability to perform something
|   approximating to \input <filename> at *any* stage...
 
That's because it isn't a processing language, so it doesn't have
actions, only declarations, and it doesn't know about files, either,
only entities.  Since filenames are system dependent, an external entity
which references an external file will have to get its declaration
changed when you interchange an SGML document, and thus all entity
declarations are collected in the document type declaration (subset).
Since there is no means to declare an entity in the SGML declaration,
you can't refer to one, either.
 
However, I have suggested, and have seen others with similar ideas,
something on the order of
 
<!SGML "ISO 8879:1986" PUBLIC "ISO 8879:1986//SGML Declaration//EN" [
        NAMELEN 64
]>
 
would make the declaration subset syntax general for all markup
declarations with "bodies".
 
|   >Author/Editor is _clearly_ wrong in still thinking a hyphen is correct.
|
|   I knew this, but I wanted someone with more experience to say it for
|   me (thank you...)
 
Glad to be able to help...
 
Best regards,
</Erik>
--
Erik Naggum             International Standards:             +47 295 0313
                        8879 SGML   10646 UCS
<[log in to unmask]>        9899 C      10744 HyTime       Memento, terrigena
<[log in to unmask]>       9945 POSIX                   Memento, vita brevis

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