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In message <[log in to unmask]>, Nik Taylor <[log in to unmask]>
writes
>John Fisher wrote:
>> It's an old question, but a good one: why do we call this an allophone
>> of /t/, and not of /d/? After all, in my accent at least, an initial
>> /d/, in 'duck' for example, is barely voiced, if at all. The main
>> salient difference acoustically is in the aspiration. So why shouldn't
>> we say that that 'still', for example, is /sdIl/ rather than /stIl/?
>
>For me, and, I suspect, most dialects, initial /d/ is always voiced, tho
>partially unvoiced. Aspiration increases the difference, but it is not
>the sole, or even salient, difference - voicing is.
Heh heh. I would only accept this if there are perceptual experiments
to prove it. I suspect that an unvoiced unaspirated initial [t] would
be interpreted by most English speakers as /d/.
But my *real* point was that I'm far from convinced by the idea of a
language having a simple list of phonemes, and that anything that
happens can or should be tied to one of its members. The fact is that
there is *no* functional distinction between /t/ and /d/ in the
environment s_V, so to identify it as one or the other is not easy to
justify, IMHO. That is not a distinction which operates in that
environment in English.
--
John Fisher [log in to unmask] [log in to unmask]
Elet Anta website: http://www.drummond.demon.co.uk/anta/
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