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Leo rote: >>Try getting a Chinese, Japanese, Hindi, Bengali >Urdu, Arabic, Swahili, speaker to pronounce [kv-]. [...] >All such rare clusters cannot IMO be >accomodated in an IAL. -- Leo I think i said later in my post that you could have a phoneme /v-w/, with realization [v ~ w]. This would accomodate both sets of speakers, and even solve the german 'vee vont some votter' problem. I think it is worthy of serious consideration. Kordiale, James Chandler [log in to unmask] http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037 _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.