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Christophe Grandsire wrote: > >>Don't you want antipatient as well to save verbs and cases like in Japanese ? > >> > >>mieru > miru > miseru > misaseru > >> > >>to appear > to see > to make it appear (= to show) > to make him see (to > >show something) > >> > >>What are the suggestions of Pablo, Herman & alia ? > > > > I was thinking of something like this for adjectives. As I already > >said, I like adjectives behaving like verbs. If we use a differentiation > >like perfect/imperfect, we could make: > > > >topic (or patient?)+ perfect-adjective: to be+adjective. > >topic (or patient?)+ imperfect-adjective: to become+adjective. > >agent+patient+ imperfect-adjective: to make someone become+adjective. > >agent+patient+ imperfect-adjective: to have made so become+adjective. > > I atrongly agree. > I don't understand, don't beat me ! :-) If adjective is like a verb, why not suppress adjectives and make them participial ? Let me explain : Adjectives would then be like verbs but more permanent in meaning (linguists would say they would tend towards unaspective) : to bite > biting to be bitten > bitten The next deeper degree in integration is the noun : biting > the biter bitten > the bitten I proposed : to bite > who bites > biting > *the biter di-kjak > a-ti di-kjak > mu-kjak-a-o > kjak-a-o to bite > who's bitten > bitten > *the bitten di-kjak > pe-ti di-kjak > mu-kjak-pe-o > kjak-pe-o Theme is not a case in any language (otherwise it would be useless) : it's a tag added to another case or replacing it to show the attribute of the whole sentence (it's used to unaspectivate an aspective sentence) Jap : hon wa yomeru = the book : (I) read it if wa were a case, it should read : hon wa yomareru = the book : it's read that's why you have often case+wa : hon ni wa e ga aru = In the book there are images. you have here ni+wa, but there are also wo+wa and more rarely ga+wa. > > I think it could easily be used for every style of verb (at least > >intransitive ones. By the way, shall we use transitive/intransitive > >differentiation? I think it can be changed). > > I think this could be distinguished by case. > > I-undergoer rise-predicate > "I rise" > > I-agent the-chair-patient raise-predicate > "I raise the chair" > > (here "rise" and "raise" would be the *same* root). > You're mixing ergative, causative and factitive ;-) But Idon't mind. It's fair enough to me. > > --Pablo Flores Mathias > ----- See the original message at http://www.egroups.com/list/conlang/?start=17186 -- Free e-mail group hosting at http://www.eGroups.com/