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And as for the Catholic bit, Ray, I never heard that before your message in this thread. I'd always known it as gay, bearded, left handed and Lithuanian. I do believe there must have been a rather large contingent of Lithuanian conlagners on the list at the time. Perhaps as many as one. Maybe even an astonishing pair |
Javant Biarujia is the creator of the conlang Taneraic, a rare example of an artlang or personal conlang that achieved public visibility before the creation of the Web. ("Javant Biarujia", indeed, is a Taneraic name.) There is no Taneraic in _Pointcounterpoint_, but the book is the efflorescence of a great glossophiliacal talent, and I highly recommend it. Conlangers of the gay left-handed bearded Lithuanian persuasion may enjoy its lavish homoerotic content, though those who would sooner take their pleasures elsewhere will find plenty else to delight. |
> Of course, the latter does seem to at least imply the former. Are you also Lithuanian, bearded, and/or left-handed? :) |
Of course, the latter does seem to at least imply the former. Are you also Lithuanian, bearded, and/or left-handed? :) |
From: Sai Emrys <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: _na Ukraine_ vs _v Ukraine_ (fuit: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Sai Emrys <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: _na Ukraine_ vs _v Ukraine_ (fuit: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Sai Emrys <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Mr Veoler <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > On 27.1.2008 Andreas Johansson wrote: > > > I myself am -gay, -left-handed, +bearded, and - > > > Lithuanian. > > > > Like if you chop off your right hand and marry a Lithuanian > man? :-) |
Organization: http://melroch.se Subject: Re: _na Ukraine_ vs _v Ukraine_ (fuit: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
Organization: http://melroch.se Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> On 27.1.2008 Andreas Johansson wrote: > > I myself am -gay, -left-handed, +bearded, and - > > Lithuanian. > Like if you chop off your right hand and marry a Lithuanian man? :-) |
Organization: http://melroch.se Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Lars Finsen <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > +gay -bearded(only recently) -left handed -Lithuanian(but still > Slavic) |
From: "David G. Durand" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > Arthaey Angosii wrote: >> I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, >> left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: >> http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?S2=CONLANG&q=bearded+lithuanian >> The earliest post that search returns is Christophe's from October > Far too late, at least for part of the description. The Conlang > 'bearded left-handed gay' archetype dates back at least to 1996 > (possibly even a year or two earlier) - tho in those days the beard > > The 'Lithuanian' part is more recent. It may be indeed that bnathyuw > simply added that to the established 'gay left-handed' prototype (he > > > >> I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, > >> left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: > >> > 1990s prototype was meant to represent the _typical_ conlanger. > Obviously adding 'Lithuanian' cannot be done for the same reason; > one thing that's consistent about all the surveys/questionnaires is > > PS - FWIW I'm neither gay, left-handed, bearded (goatee or > otherwise), nor Lithuanian ;) > |
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Sai Emrys <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Sai Emrys <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <op.t5lvw6jmq0lew6@toffler> > > > -Lithuanian(but still Slavic) > Personally I'm Kinsey variable 2-4 but currently have two boyfriends, fairly androgynous, occasionally bearded, have contacts but not worn glasses in years, US-born of naturalized Russians, and right-handed. |
From: Andreas Johansson <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > PS - FWIW I'm neither gay, left-handed, bearded (goatee or otherwise), > > nor Lithuanian ;) > > > > I myself am -gay, -left-handed, +bearded, and -Lithuanian. |
From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > -Lithuanian(but still Slavic) -lefty (I'm reasonably ambidextrous for some tasks, though) -Lithuanian (English, as far back as I've discovered, though now living in the USA) |
From: Carsten Becker <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger > PS - FWIW I'm neither gay, left-handed, bearded (goatee > or otherwise), nor Lithuanian ;) |
From: Scotto Hlad <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> +gay -bearded(only recently) -left handed -Lithuanian(but still Slavic) +glasses(do I earn extra points for tri-focals?) To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger > > > >I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, > >left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: > >------------------------------------------------------------ >The "man from Central Europe" somehow morphed into "Lithuanian", the >first mention of left-handed Lithuanians seems to be here: Moi, I'm 2 for 2: +gay, +bearded (goateed for several years now, not then) -leftH, -Lithuanian (AFAIK, but there's N.German/Dutch somewhere in my background so anything is possible), oh, and +glasses too. |
From: ROGER MILLS <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > > > >I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, > >left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: > >------------------------------------------------------------ >The "man from Central Europe" somehow morphed into "Lithuanian", the first >mention of left-handed Lithuanians seems to be here: Moi, I'm 2 for 2: +gay, +bearded (goateed for several years now, not then) -leftH, -Lithuanian (AFAIK, but there's N.German/Dutch somewhere in my background so anything is possible), oh, and +glasses too. |
From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Near-sighted, but hate wearing glasses so I don't. Does an intermittent goatee count as "bearded"? |
From: Jeffrey Jones <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger > >I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, >left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: > > http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa? S2=CONLANG&q=bearded+lithuanian > >He's clearly referring to an established meme by this point, but >search isn't turning up any earlier messages that have "bearded" and >"lithuanian" in them. Can any older members shed any light on the >origins of this? ------------------------------------------------------------ The "man from Central Europe" somehow morphed into "Lithuanian", the first mention of left-handed Lithuanians seems to be here: I also found a reference to "left-handed bearded gay Luxembourgians". The earliest reference in the LISTSERV archives to "left-handed bearded gay" mentions an earlier discussion. |
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger > PS - FWIW I'm neither gay, left-handed, bearded (goatee or otherwise), > nor Lithuanian ;) > I myself am -gay, -left-handed, +bearded, and -Lithuanian. |
Organization: http://melroch.se Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> The original lefthanded Lithuanian was Steg Belsky's twin brother, also a conlanger but not a list member. I guess you could contact Steg to get the details about that. He had "- Stephen (Steg), brother of the Left-Handed Lithuanian" in his sig for a long time as a search for "Steg Lithuanian" will reveal. Mostly lefthanded ambidextrous, straight, bearded Swede-Pomeranian- >> I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, >> bearded, left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: >> >> point, but search isn't turning up any earlier messages >> that have "bearded" and "lithuanian" in them. Can any >> older members shed any light on the origins of this? > > It starts with left-handed (not bearded) Lithuanians, in a > post ironically about how the list will dwindle and die > That appears to be prior to the determination that the > list was inhabited by gay bearded men, which Christophe > neatly ties together in the post that you found :) |
From: R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Arthaey Angosii wrote: > I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, > left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: > > http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?S2=CONLANG&q=bearded+lithuanian > Far too late, at least for part of the description. The Conlang 'bearded left-handed gay' archetype dates back at least to 1996 (possibly even a The 'Lithuanian' part is more recent. It may be indeed that bnathyuw simply added that to the established 'gay left-handed' prototype (he > >> I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, >> left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: >> prototype was meant to represent the _typical_ conlanger. Obviously adding 'Lithuanian' cannot be done for the same reason; one thing that's consistent about all the surveys/questionnaires is that Conlangers are PS - FWIW I'm neither gay, left-handed, bearded (goatee or otherwise), nor Lithuanian ;) |
From: Amanda Babcock Furrow <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, > left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: > > He's clearly referring to an established meme by this point, but > search isn't turning up any earlier messages that have "bearded" and > "lithuanian" in them. Can any older members shed any light on the > origins of this? It starts with left-handed (not bearded) Lithuanians, in a post ironically about how the list will dwindle and die without John Cowan's presence: That appears to be prior to the determination that the list was inhabited by gay bearded men, which Christophe neatly ties together in the post that you found :) |
From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger > I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, > left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: > |
From: Arthaey Angosii <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Origins of the Gay Bearded Left-Handed Lithuanian Conlanger I decided to search for the earliest reference to gay, bearded, left-handed Lithuanian conlangers: http://listserv.brown.edu/archives/cgi-bin/wa?S2=CONLANG&q=bearded+lithuanian He's clearly referring to an established meme by this point, but search isn't turning up any earlier messages that have "bearded" and "lithuanian" in them. Can any older members shed any light on the origins of this? |
From: Scotto Hlad <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... >>Lithuanian, I don't recall if I actually have a Lithuanian dictionary (I can't seem to find it if I do, but my dictionaries aren't in any sort of order). I |
From: Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: wayne chevrier <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> >>Lithuanian, I don't recall if I actually have a Lithuanian dictionary (I can't seem to find it if I do, but my dictionaries aren't in any sort of order). I |
From: Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> >Lithuanian, |
From: Adam Walker <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: wayne chevrier <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... > > > Scotto > > (Bearded, non left handed, gay, non Lithuanian) > Scots, Old English, Icelandic, Norwegian, Danish, Swedish, Dutch, German, Latin, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian, Lithuanian, Russian. Ukrainian, Czech, Croat, Polish, Irish, Gaelic, Albanian, Classical Greek, |
From: Scotto Hlad <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... |
From: Scotto Hlad <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... > Scotto > (Bearded, non left handed, gay, non Lithuanian) |
From: Henrik Theiling <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> After the promotional posts about Lithuanian, I almost bought a grammar immediately. It's a very good feeling when good books arive. :-) |
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Henrik Theiling <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> > Scotto > (Bearded, non left handed, gay, non Lithuanian) |
From: Scotto Hlad <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Scotto (Bearded, non left handed, gay, non Lithuanian) To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... |
From: Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <007f01c684dd$f4f6ed60$f2f89fd5@cohen> |
From: Isaac Penzev <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... |
From: Yahya Abdal-Aziz <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Conculture shock (was: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but...) In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <000b01c68402$b0a45ac0$aeaf7645@Computer> > > > > Largely because Lithuanian and Latvian (and Old Prussian) have > > some of the most archaic features in modern European languages, > wanted to learn Latvian for ages -- I love how it looks, with all those > macrons!). Lithuanian is by far the more conservative, though, so if > you're into archaic I-E, you seriously need to get yourself a book on > Lithuanian. It will blow your mind. ;-) |
From: Philip Newton <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Henrik Theiling <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <000b01c68402$b0a45ac0$aeaf7645@Computer> > wanted to learn Latvian for ages -- I love how it looks, with all those > macrons!). Lithuanian is by far the more conservative, though, so if > you're into archaic I-E, you seriously need to get yourself a book on > Lithuanian. It will blow your mind. ;-) >... |
From: "Mark J. Reed" <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... In-Reply-To: <000b01c68402$b0a45ac0$aeaf7645@Computer> |
From: Thomas Leigh <[log in to unmask]> Subject: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but... > > Largely because Lithuanian and Latvian (and Old Prussian) have > some of the most archaic features in modern European languages, wanted to learn Latvian for ages -- I love how it looks, with all those macrons!). Lithuanian is by far the more conservative, though, so if you're into archaic I-E, you seriously need to get yourself a book on Lithuanian. It will blow your mind. ;-) |
From: Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but ... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> Largely because Lithuanian and Latvian (and Old Prussian) have some of the most archaic features in modern European languages, and that should nicely |
From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but ... In-Reply-To: <op.tabsn8f2p2ugkf@pauls> |
From: Paul Bennett <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but ... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
From: Larry Sulky <[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but ... In-Reply-To: <[log in to unmask]> |
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From: Wesley Parish <[log in to unmask]> Subject: I may not be a bearded, left-handed, gay Lithuanian, but ... |
ready to give examples from Russian and Ukrainian (and correct mistakes in them). Bearded, right-handed, straight and definitely *not* Lithuanian (being pro-Hassidic Messianic Jew by choice, not by birth). |
Straight, non-bearded, right-handed, non-Lithuanian (i.e. German) |
And their left-handed gay bearded Lithuanian lackeys who do all the dirty work. |
Not forgetting the bearded lithuanian left-handed gay conlangers! They must form a supermajority of people here! |
> The best way to think of it is that there is a prototypical conlanger (gay, > bearded, male, left-handed, Lithuanian linguist?), and, regardless of how > one |
> The best way to think of it is that there is a prototypical > conlanger (gay, bearded, male, left-handed, Lithuanian linguist?) Hm. Well, I'm 2 out of 6 (bearded and male) . . . |
The best way to think of it is that there is a prototypical conlanger (gay, bearded, male, left-handed, Lithuanian linguist?), and, regardless of how one feels one fits in, one's status (well, kind of) depends on how we match up with |
> was the war in Iraq. But I mean more generally in teh case of the > typical conlanger being left-handed, gay, bearded and lithuanian. > -- Hmm... i don't think that's it. The gay, left-handed, and bearded statistics are all based in reality; i don't think the use of (God gave gums; God'll give grain.) ~ lithuanian proverb and free translation based on someone else's |
> was the war in Iraq. But I mean more generally in teh case of the typical > conlanger being left-handed, gay, bearded and lithuanian. I'm not sure where the phrase comes from (try googling for several different |
> > > > Where exactly does the Lithuanian bit come into it? Have we ever had any > > Lithuanians here? > No, no, no. It's not Lithuanians that matter (after all, Steg has a > Lithuanian background, and he's a mighty fine chap), but *left-handed* > Lithuanians, only the most vile and pernicious evil to stalk the face of the was the war in Iraq. But I mean more generally in teh case of the typical conlanger being left-handed, gay, bearded and lithuanian. |
> > > bearded left-handed Lithuanian, then that's another matter ;))))) . > > |
gay > bearded left-handed Lithuanian, then that's another matter ;))))) . > |
list, they are explicitely forbidden). Of course, if you happen to be a gay bearded left-handed Lithuanian, then that's another matter ;))))) . |
> > Is your computer also left-handed, bearded and Lithuanian? > In that case you might have the ideal conlanging computer! |
> > ^^^^ > >Is your computer also left-handed, bearded and Lithuanian? > >In that case you might have the ideal conlanging computer! > mouse is on, then mine's left handed (because I'm generally right). > There is a lot of crap just under my monitor, does that make it bearded? > But it's not Lithuanian to the best of my knowledge... So I guess I have > a suboptimal machine for conlanging on... but a perfect one for |
> ^^^^ >Is your computer also left-handed, bearded and Lithuanian? >In that case you might have the ideal conlanging computer! mouse is on, then mine's left handed (because I'm generally right). There is a lot of crap just under my monitor, does that make it bearded? But it's not Lithuanian to the best of my knowledge... So I guess I have a suboptimal machine for conlanging on... but a perfect one for |
Is your computer also left-handed, bearded and Lithuanian? In that case you might have the ideal conlanging computer! |
> > > You forgot "bearded". It's all about gay bearded left-handed > > Lithuanians (my God! I fill three of the four criteria! ;))) ). >So does my brother... >if you accept "of Lithuanian-culture-zone Jewish descent" as >"Lithuanian", "goatee'd" as "bearded", and "ex-conlanger" as "conlanger". > ;-) What about straight, bearded, left-handed, ex-christian conlangers of Ukranian-Polish-Swedish-Norwegian descent? |
> You forgot "bearded". It's all about gay bearded left-handed > Lithuanians (my God! I fill three of the four criteria! ;))) ). So does my brother... if you accept "of Lithuanian-culture-zone Jewish descent" as "Lithuanian", "goatee'd" as "bearded", and "ex-conlanger" as "conlanger". ;-) -Stephen (Steg), brother of the Left-Handed Lithuanian ".sonoud soud saveiD ,sitnad evad saveiD" |
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