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CONLANG  August 2012, Week 4

CONLANG August 2012, Week 4

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Re: Why Brithenig ain't an engelang

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Jörg Rhiemeier <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

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Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:09:29 +0200

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Hallo conlangers!

On Saturday 25 August 2012 19:20:07 Padraic Brown wrote:

> --- On Sat, 8/25/12, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> [...]
> > I fail to see how that is implied in Andrew's description.
> 
> Simply in the way it was done. Brithenig wasn't made haphazardly. It had
> a, in my opinion anyway, very specific design principles and goals in
> mind. To my way of thinking, no matter how artistically it is done, it
> can't be anything other than a hybrid. Call it an artistic engelang or
> an engineeringly artlang -- but it isn't fully one or the other. That's
> simply how I see the matter.

How many artlangs "weren't made haphazardly"?  How many
artlangs were made with "very specific design principles and
goals in mind"?  Many; in fact, most of the better ones.
If someone goes forth to create an artlang haphazardly, the
most likely outcome is an incoherent mess.

Consider my own Old Albic.  You probably agree with me that
it is an artlang.  But if you know me and what I have written
about it here, you must be aware that Old Albic is far from
being made haphazardly.  There is a complex and detailed 
linguistic history behind it, all the way back to an assumed
common ancestor with Indo-European, which is constructed by
means of internal reconstruction from PIE, and from that
common ancestor, Old Albic is derived by a long list of
regular sound changes (involving a series of intermediate
protolanguages such as Proto-Hesperic and Proto-Albic).
Thus, a large part of the language's lexicon is based on
regular sound correspondences with Indo-European languages,
and a large part that is not is based on words in Germanic and
Celtic languages that lack good IE etymologies and are
suspected by many linguists to stem from unknown substratum
languages spoken in Northwestern Europe before the spread of
Indo-European (which I assume to have been related to Old
Albic).  The overarching goal of the Old Albic project is to
"re-create" a language that could have been spoken in the
British Isles before the Celtic branch of Indo-European was
established there (by whichever means).

So, there is very much thought and "conceptioneering" (if
there is such a word; if not, I may coin it now) that went
into this language.  Is it an engelang by your definition?
Perhaps yes.  Yet, most people here would certainly say that
it is not an engelang in the same way such languages as Ars
signorum, Lojban or brx are engelangs.  That is because Old
Albic, despite all that "conceptioneering" that want into it,
is not meant as a _reconstruction_ of what *probably* has
been, but a _re-creation_ (as I call it) of what *could* have
been, and the overall motivation is one of aesthetics (I try
to construct a language of a "culture of my heart" which is
a vehicle of artistic self-expression) and of *fun*.

Old Albic may perhaps be somewhat more "engelangy" than many
other artlangs, but it still is fundamentally an artlang.
In Ray's coloured Gnoli Triangle, it may be a bit bluish,
but certainly green (and no trace of reddishness as it is
not at all meant as an auxlang)!
 
> > > There was, not so much a "team of linguists" as a bunch
> > > of interested linguophiles who came together to help in
> > > the creation of a language for (some non-scientific)
> > > research purpose (the "thought experiment" aspect) and
> > > with fairly specific goals in mind (the creation of a
> > > language that would simulate what could have evolved in
> > > Britain, etc. etc.)
> > 
> > That is not my recollection.  I was very much under the
> > impression that Brithenig was largely Andrew's work. 
> 
> And I never said it wasn't. Note "help in". Andrew solicited opinions;
> opinions were given. He was always free to accept, reject or modify as
> he saw fit. For my part, I certainly don't claim any title to authorship!
> I did however offer input, most of which (quite rightly I think in
> retrospect) was not accepted. Simply for the fact my own way of making
> languages was entirely at variance with the goals Andrew had in mind.

I wasn't yet here when that was discussed, so I cannot say much
on this matter, but I have always considered Brithenig to be
Andrew's creation, even if he solicited opinions and perhaps
worked in an idea or two that came from someone else.
 
> > > My, perhaps insufficiently well asked, question was
> > > simply why put an experimental conlang with specific
> > > design goals, that might otherwise be called an
> > > engelang, or at least has deliberately engineered
> > > qualities, at the far artistic end of the spectrum when
> > > there are plenty of very fine and entirely artistic
> > > conlangs that have no explicit design goals. Things like
> > > Teonaht or Maggel
> > 
> > I thought the objective of Maggel was to be as darned
> > awkward as possible   ;)
> 
> Could very well be. Just because a language has a purpose or objective
> doesn't make it an engelang. Clearly artlangs have purpose and objectives
> as well!

Indeed, indeed!
 
> > > or any of dozens of others that were made simply for the
> > > pure joy of making a language.
> > 
> > Andrew Smith write on the Brithenig introduction page: "I
> > did this for fun ...  I enjoy doing language creation.
> > It's a hobby."
> 
> Yep. This doesn't really change much. Hobby or no, there were still goals
> and methods that in my opinion nudge the end result a little further up
> the scale towards engelangdom than any purely artistic language.

Sure.  Languages such as Brithenig or Old Albic are indeed in a
way more "engelangy" than most other artlangs.  Still, I won't
say they are engelangs, rather they are what could be called
"high-concept artlangs".
 
> And this is not a bad thing at all! Saying this as someone who is the
> opposite of an engelanger, I always appreciated the more structured and
> deliberate methods Andrew used for Brithenig. Very different in almost
> every respect to the way I do it.

I am much more like Andrew, then.  My methods for Old Albic are
not far removed from those Andrew used for Brithenig.  (And my
second conlang, Roman Germanech, is very much like Brithenig in
this regard: is is "to German what Brithenig is to Welsh".) 
 
> > > It's not that Brithenig doesn't belong in the box at
> > > all; but given what we know about it and how it came
> > > about, I think it is very fair to question its placement
> > > on that box.
> > 
> > Box? Who said anything about a box? 
> 
> A box is what appeared on the graph in question. You know, a squarish
> thing, eight corners?

Ah, *that* box:  http://i.imgur.com/qYLgT.png

Proposed by Mil on the Relay list on August 17.

> > Haven't you heard of the Gnoli triangle?
> 
> Yes. Tis one of many ways to classify conlangs. Maybe I wasn't refering to
> one of those??

Indeed not (see above).  *Nobody* in this thread ever proposed
to sort conlangs into three boxes labelled "Auxlangs", "Artlangs"
and "Engelangs".
 
> Anyway, what I was refering to was the graphical representation in the
> original post I was responding to. The one that got this whole line of
> Brithenig related discussion going. Put simply, one corner of the box
> was marked "artistic" in opposition to something like "engineered", and
> I'm assuming there is some kind of continuum between the corner points.

Yes.  A three-dimensional space where conlangs could be placed
according to the dimensions "artism <-> pragmatism", "a priori
<-> a posteriori" and "realism <-> abstract".

> My question was, and still is, why a language with clearly engineered
> tendencies is used as the paradigm language for the artistic point on the
> spectrum, when it really doesn't fit the criteria and other languages
> offer a better fit.
> 
> It could have been *any* language in that slot -- I just happen to know
> more about Brithenig and the process that created it than any of the
> others on the box.

Brithenig was chosen for that corner because it is a realistic
(i.e., naturalistic) a posteriori conlang made for an artistic
purpose.  I think it *does* belong there despite the extensive
conceptioneering that went into it, and is the best-known
conlang that fits there.
 
> > > But I think we should be careful about wording, though.
> > 
> > > I made Avantimannish to look and sound Germanic. And
> > > feedback so far has confirmed that it looks and sounds
> > > Germanic. Does that make it, even "to an extent", an
> > > engelang? I don't think so.
> > 
> > Sorry - by your own admission a goal was to make the
> > language look and sound Germanic! 
> 
> Yes, and this is exactly my point!  We can set goals in our language
> creation WITHOUT making an engelang or even a hybrid artistic-engelang.

Yes!
 
> Accidentally or on purpose, Andrew did the latter. And I think that was
> simply a matter of having *enough* specific goals, clear design principles
> and methodology to go with to shift it away from the purely artistic.

You say yourself that a conlanger can set goals in his language
creation without making an engelang or even a hybrid artistic-
engelang - and Brithenig is IMHO a fine example of what you say!

> > > There is no specific model, no specific goals, no
> > > specific definition or success or failure --
> > 
> > You stated a specific goal.
> 
> Okay, then. What is "Germanic"? Specifically.

Germanic is of course a branch of Indo-European, defined by some
specific phonological and grammatical developments.
 
> > What is the specific definition of the success or failure of Brithenig?
> 
> In this case, I would say its historicity. Its cleaving to what would be
> most likely to could have happened had the path of British history gone a
> different direction. I think it succeeds as a realistic and probable
> Romance lang with heavy British-Celtic influence.

It does.  The diachronic development of Brithenig is certainly
plausible.  We don't know and will never know whether a Romance
language of Britain, if it had evolved at all, would have evolved
*that* particular way, with sound changes similar to those of
Welsh, and the evolution of a system of initial mutation again
similar to that of Welsh; but who can say it was impossible?
 
> Contrast this with Kerno. There were no specific goals or processes or
> methods to its creation. It was entirely composed of fancy and cemented
> together with what I liked at the time. If we were to compare Kerno and
> Brithenig on the latter's terms, I would say that B passes with flying
> colors and K fails miserably. I am sure that it does not conform to any
> reasonable likelihood of how a Romance language could develop. At least
> in the primary world!

I don't know Kerno well enough to decide how well-crafted it is,
but I have to admit that I like Brithenig better.  Brithenig looks
very nice and plausible, while Kerno has created more of the image
of a hodge-podge in me.  If you say that "it was entirely composed
of fancy and cemented together with what [you] liked at the time",
then my impression perhaps was right ;)

This reminds me of the early beginnings of Old Albic, when I
cobbled together a descendant of Sindarin which I called "Nur-
ellen".  It was a mess.  There was a hazy notion of the sound
changes it went through, but nothing getting even near what one
could call a "grand master plan"; and a restructuring of the
grammar in order to implement some ideas I had for an artlang,
such as the degree-of-volition marking system.  In hindsight,
I made a terrible mess of Tolkien's beautiful language!

It was the only right thing to do to sever the link to Sindarin
and start over.  The next thing I did was to do research on
active-stative natlangs, because I wanted to do that kind of
language.  This research threw up Georgian, which has influenced
the design of Old Albic to no small degree, and also
Gamkrelidze's and Ivanov's revised reconstruction of PIE (famed
for the glottalic theory, but also featuring an active-stative
alignment), from which the notion of a language related to IE
emerged (while I think that G&I's revision does not hold for
PIE proper, it makes sense, in modified form, as a pre-stage of
PIE).  The rest is history.

> > > nothing other than my own sense of aesthetics at work.
> > 
> > To produce a Romance language with a Welsh-like phonology
> > and even more Welsh-like spelling seems to me to be
> > reflecting Andrew's sense of aesthetics. 
> 
> I certainly don't deny that.
> 
> But there was more than just his sense of aesthetics at work -- there was
> the scholarship, the study and deliberate application of historical
> sound and morphological change, in a way more scientific than mine that
> sets Brithenig apart from other languages.

Yes.  Brithenig set new standards in a posteriori artlanging.
While diachronic methods were first applied to conlanging (as
far as we know) by Tolkien, the innovation of Brithenig was to
apply them to a historical rather than purely fantastic setting,
and to base them on scholarly endeavours into the linguistic
situation of Britain.
 
> > > So, if Brithenig ain't an engelang, it certainly lives
> > > in the marches
> > 
> > Isn't it in order to allow for the marches that Claudio
> > Gnoli proposed the triangle model in late 1997 or early
> > 1998?  He felt his own conlang, Liva, had elements of
> > both artlang and loglang about it.
> 
> Could be. I feel that Brithenig is in a similar boat, hence my original
> question!

Oh, I see a vast difference between Liva and Brithenig!  Liva
is a "loglang-as-artlang" - a loglang meant to be elegant and
beautiful.  The language is clearly engelangy; its beauty is
like that of a sports car, whose smooth lines serve the purpose
of allowing the car to move more speedily.  Brithenig is what
one could call a "high-concept artlang"; it is like a realistic
painting of an imagined reality, whose painter went to great
lengths to come up with a picture as accurate as possible.
 
> > > and speaks with an engelangish accent and wears some
> > > distinctly engelangish clothing and even walks with a
> > > slightly engelangish swagger!
> > 
> > The main problem with the engelang model, as I see it, is
> > *_objective_ evaluation.* 
> 
> Fair enough. But on the other hand, I could simply say that funding ran
> out before the evaluation phase could be implemented! We can simply leave
> it to a future study to evaluate how well Brithenig achieves its goals.

The closest thing we can get to an objective evaluation is to
check whether the phonological and grammatical diachronic
development envisioned by Andrew is historically plausible with
regard to the imagined setting.  Under that count, I think that
Brithenig has made an excellent performance.  Every single sound
change in the Grand Master Plan is attested in natlangs, and as
we know from Welsh, they could have happened *in Britain*
specifically; and where the grammatical structure of Brithenig
deviates from the Romance norm it follows Celtic patterns, and
we can ascribe that to a Celtic substratum effect.  In short,
I think Brithenig is highly plausible and therefore a success.
 
> > The end criterion is only a vague
> > "to create a Romance language that might have evolved if
> > Latin speakers had been a sufficient number to displace Old
> > Celtic as the spoken language of the people in Great
> > Britain."
> 
> Yep. Well, as I said before, this is simply because B is somewhere
> between the extremes -- if it were a full fledged engelang, we wouldn't
> even be engaging in this discussion. Neither is it a full fledged artlang.
> It's somewhere in between (as I said back at the beginning of this
> discussion).

It is indeed somewhere in between, but certainly closer to the
green corner of the triangle than to the blue (while Liva is much
closer to the blue).
 
> > OK - Brithenig _might_ have - but how do you _objectively_
> > evaluate all the choices made?
> 
> Me? *I* don't. That ain't my manor. Given what criteria we have been
> given, you can be damn sure my answer would be equally vague and
> similarly lacking in detail!

That is, you have no idea how to objectively evaluate it ;)
Well, I don't have any idea, either.

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http://www.joerg-rhiemeier.de/Conlang/index.html
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