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AUXLANG  September 2000, Week 4

AUXLANG September 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Re: What are Interlingua's shortcomings?

From:

Chris Burd <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:05:35 -0400

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Because of work, I've only been scanning Auxlang since my summer vacation,
but I can't resist a short post on this thread.

Le Cavellero asked:

"If Interlingua would be designed today, with the additional knowledge and
experience we gained during the last 50 years, how would or should it be
different?"

Their research methods would be more advanced, using something like
EuroWordNet as opposed to Helen Eaton's Semantic Frequency List. Possibly
they would find a way of producing "prototypes" that didn't rely so heavily
on etymological forms - but that's discussible. How exactly this would
affect the language isn't clear to me, but there'd be some effect. At the
very least, Ia would be "embedded", if you know what I mean, in current
computational linguistics work.

If they were to reconsider the set of base languages, they might expand it,
possibly to include ISV-influenced non-Western languages like
Indonesian/Malay. That might in turn influence the grammar and orthography,
making it less Romance/Latin. Alternatively, if a Whorfian SAE concept has
lost credibility, they might abandon Ia's pan-European characteristics to
embrace a purely Romance Interlingua.

Very likely Ia would be less French and less Italian and more
Spanish/Portuguese. If you look at some of the choices in the IED, it seems
that when faced with several plausible forms, they often favoured French
and Italian ones (leaving the others in "collateral limbo").

Almost certainly it would have fewer Latin particles, since that has been
the most obvious trend since 1951.

WHich brings me to another issue: How has Ia changed since 1951? (1) A
shift away from Latin particles. While they've by no means disappeared,
virtually no texts today are as Latinate as the majority of sample texts
found in the 1951 Interlingua Grammar. (2) A sort of love-hate relationship
with English. On one hand, users tend to handle the tenses in a very
English way; on the other, there's a hypercorrect avoidance of some usages
thought to be anglicisms (e.g., "in facto" and "in mi opinion", which Gode
used, are almost always "de facto" and "secundo mi opinion" today). (3)
This is related to a philo-romanticism among some users, although others,
it must be said pursue a more pan-European conception (these are often the
defenders of a more Latinate usage of particles).

Reforms? There's been very little open reformism, at least of the divisive
type that has beset other IAL movements. Ric Berger's writings show some
reformist tendencies (e.g. non-Romance word orders), and Stefan Bakonyi
used virtually his own (ultra-Romance) dialect in the 1960s. Today, the
most obvious reform currents concern spelling (C, T, F and sometimes I for
CH, TH, PH, and Y) and, more controversially, proposals for new panromance
particles like "aquelle"/"aquello", "aqui", and "alla". I've got to post
this message now, but I'll try to expand on the last point later.

Cheers,

Chris Burd

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