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CONLANG June 2016, Week 1

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Re: YES is red, blue is NOT.

From:

Jim Thain <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 1 Jun 2016 02:19:38 -0700

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I think Leonardo was looking to link the colours to the specifiers.
Personally I think that is different for different cultures. Leonardo, you
should probably look internally to the speaker culture and go from there.
If that is a culture of one (yourself). Then what works for you works for
your language even if it is different from what other human cultures have.
(It is good to be different. : ) )

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 12:35 AM, R A Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> On 31/05/2016 22:17, Alex Fink wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 31 May 2016 17:05:19 -0300, Leonardo Castro
>> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>
>> That RED is used as a warning - STOP, DON"T DO IT,
>>>> NO etc - is because it is an intensive color.  So
>>>> even by what you have above NO can be RED if you so
>>>> wish.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed. It seems that RED is more active and
>>> BLUE/GREEN more passive, but that doesn't fit the fact
>>> the RED is feminine and BLUE is masculine.
>>>
>>
>> Is that last fact Muai-internal?
>>
>
> Yes, I wondered about that.  Leonardo seems to be equating
> 'active' with femininity and 'passive' with masculinity,
> which is contrary to dualist systems like, e.g. yin and yang!
>
> If it's simply the consensus(!) adoption of the modern
>> Western colour standards for kids' wear vel sim., "pink
>> for girls, blue for boys",
>>
>
> Oh - I did not readily associate RED with PINK.  The two
> colors do not have the same symbolism to me.  PINK perhaps
> is more associate with MAUVE or LILAC.
>
> then it might assuage your worries to know that not a
>> century ago that association ran precisely the other way,
>> just as your linkages would have it go.  Often quoted in
>> this line is the June 1918 issue of the trade publication
>> _Earnshaw's Infants' Department_:
>>
>> | The generally accepted rule is pink for the boys, and
>> blue for the girls. | The reason is that pink, being a
>> more decided and stronger color, is more | suitable for
>> the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty,
>> is | prettier for the girl.
>>
>
>         :-)
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> Alex, refraining from posing a question on the monodromy
>> of concept-space over kind-space
>>
>
> Sounds interesting    :)
>
> But I am still none the wiser where the *fact* "the RED is
> feminine and BLUE is masculine" comes from.  Is it, as Alex
> asks, Muai-internal or is "adoption of the modern Western
> colour standards for kids' wear vel sim."?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 31/05/2016 21:05, Leonardo Castro wrote:
>
>> Até mais!
>>
>> Leonardo
>>
>> 2016-05-30 4:18 GMT-03:00 R A Brown:
>>
> [snip]
>
>>
>>> Or consider whether Muai actually needs specific words
>>> for YES and NO.
>>>
>>>
>> In Muai, YES and NO are actually "specifiers":
>>
>> - hai = "the precedent entity is TRUE" - nou = "the
>> precedent entity is FALSE"
>>
>> Muai "nou" is a false cognate of English "no", in spite
>> of having same meaning and pronunciation.
>>
>
> Yes, yes - I know what "yes" and "no" mean. I merely pointed
> out that some languages (and specified three of the) that
> get by with specific words for "yes" and "no".
> I merely asked if you had considered other possibilities.
>
> Examples:
>>
>> -- HAI --
>>
>> *.tiei mieko liai huai-mai? * * .huai-hai.*
>>
>> {you} {love} {she} {last sentence}-{question specifier}
>> {last sentence}-{affirmative specifier}
>>
>> *Do you love her?* * Yes [that's true].*
>>
>
> Do you like her? I do.
>
> -- NOU --
>>
>> *.kioi mieko-nou liai. * {1} {love}-{NEG} {3} *I don't
>> love her.*
>>
>> *.liai mieko hifieli tiu-tei hikiani-nou * {3} {love}
>> {cat} {conjunction}-{too} {dog}-{NEG} *He likes cats and
>> not dogs. * * She likes cats but not dogs.*
>>
>
> It looks to me from the two above examples that NOU actually
> means "not".  Or have I missed something?
>
> http://leolucas.conlang.org/muai/muai-grammar-specifiers.html
>>
>
> OK
>
>>
>> - but, quite frankly, it leaves me none the wiser and,
> more importantly, I do not see any colors there; and it was
> over the use of color that this thread began.
>
> Ray
>

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