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CONLANG  February 2018, Week 1

CONLANG February 2018, Week 1

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Re: Conlanging history - Much Better!

From:

James Hopkins <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 7 Feb 2018 04:20:38 -0500

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Stewart,

I want to very much second your idea that, "language is the most basic
thing that defines humanity." It is a very Itlani type idea and in the
Itlani part of Realms-Somewhere-Real (RSR) it is the basic philosophy of
their Reformed Ravzhurian tongue that became their planetwide lingua franca.

As fas as I can see there is absolutely nothing wrong in questing for the
"perfect" language. Our languages, I suspect, will never be perfect in an
empirical sense, but if they are perfect for us, that is what matters most.

What interests me most in my love of language and languages is the realm
where art, grammar and metaphysics intersect. Like you I feel that my ideas
may be really "illogical" and "non-scientific" for sure, but it's how I
feel... and I like it that way!

Well done!
Itlani Jim

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:52 AM, Stewart Fraser <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> I guess I should introduce myself as well.
>
> I was brought up in Oban, Scotland and have been interested in languages
> and scripts for as long as I remember. However I concentrated on
> engineering at school and have spent most of my adult life working as an
> engineer offshore.
>
> In my middle years, work and travel took up most of my time, but now as I
> approach 60, I have leisure aplenty
> to focus on my language.
>
> I have always been aware that that life/mankind is far from perfect. Also
> I have had the feeling that language is the most basic thing that defines
> humanity. It seems to me, if you want to improve something, you must start
> at the bottom : you must build up the way. Hence my quest for a “perfect”
> language.
>
> Now I know the above is not logical (as misguided as Zamenhof’s idea that
> a common language would prevent war), but nevertheless it’s how I feel.
>
> What interests me most in linguistics is the area where logic, grammar and
> semantics intersect.
>
> I have always worked on one language at a time. My current language Béu
> followed Seuna which followed Harweng. Béu is an artlang/auxlang/engelang
> and I hope to finish it in a year or two … to make it as complete as
> English or Japanese. However as of now … not quite ready for prime time.
>
>        … Stewart Fraser
>
> > On Feb 6, 2018, at 10:21 PM, C. Brickner <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Like Amanda, I'm of the Tolkien-inspired cohort, and the
> started-at-age-twelve group, let's say c. 1952. As a child I'd frequent the
> library (mainly the one on the Norfolk Naval Base) and take out language
> books. German was the first language I began to study in earnest. But I
> dabbled in Japanese, Swahili (my favorite non-IE language), Russian,
> Persian, Welsh. Some Turkish sailors came to our home for dinner one
> evening and one of them taught me to count to ten in Turkish.My academic
> language experience began in high school with Latin, although, as an altar
> boy before Vatican II, I'd been "speaking" it at Mass. In college I earned
> credits in Latin, Attic Greek, Koine, Hebrew, French, Italian and German
> and I have a minor in Spanish. At a diocesan-sponsored three-day course I
> was immersed in Haitian Creole, which I really enjoy.My interest in
> conlanging began when, guess when?, I read Tolkien. "I can do that."
> However, my conlang interest was tied up with my conworld interest and I
> decided to do both. I had developed an interest in the Proto-Indo-European
> culture (Gimbutas, et al.) and began to create my language Senjecas and its
> world Sefdaania. My original source was Pokorny's "Indogermanisches
> Wörterbuch". I am grateful that his work was done before the discovery of
> the laryngeals.I saw that his all PIE roots consisted of 24 consonants and
> five vowels. I transformed his vocalic <r> into /ɔ/. Now I had 24
> consonants and six vowels = 30 graphemes, and the symbolic "6" appeared in
> the Sefdaanian culture, e.g., six declensions, one for each vowel, and six
> races of loquent beings in Sefdaania.By this time, I'd graduated from pen
> and paper and typewriter to a computer and the internet was opened to me
> from where I learned all about PIE grammar. I've also subscribed to the
> "Journal of Indo-European Studies" for many years.Senjecas is still my
> first love and has grown greatly in size: vocabulary, grammar, orthography.
> I have it saved on several personal sites and it's on Frathwiki, where it's
> undergoing some revision at present. When Pokorny was no longer of help, I
> decided to branch out and give Senjecas a Nostratic flavor. There's a great
> site online: starling.rinet.ru. It contains word lists from many
> proto-languages. When PIE was not enough for Senjecas I went to
> Proto-Uralic, Proto-Altaic, et al. My Senjecas vocabulary now has upwards
> of 5,000 words.I also enjoy orthographies and have adapted several to
> Senjecas, Greek and Cyrillic, of course, but others like Armenian,
> Devanagari, Runic. My favorite is Korean. And I am disappointed that I
> can't produce the Tengwar on Wikifrath.I have created two other conlangs. I
> joined the Ill Bethisad project some years ago and created a sovereign
> Mount Athos. I gave them their own language Athonite, a slimming down of
> Greek with an admixture of Turkish.Most recently I decided that I needed an
> other-world conworld and created Litoria and its language based very
> loosely on Uralic grammar, but with my own a priori vocabulary.This hobby
> has given me immense pleasure and I've learned so much from my studies and
> from what I have read on the list. I wish all of you the some pleasure in
> your conlanging.Charlie
>

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