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CONLANG  November 2013, Week 3

CONLANG November 2013, Week 3

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Re: The one word that's the same in any language...

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Date:

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On 17/11/2013 15:07, Padraic Brown wrote:
> R A Brown scriptsit:

scriptsit ?

[snip]
>> If I say something and my addressee replies "eh", then
>> I understand that to me "I didn't quite catch that.
>> could you say it again."  But if s/he replies "huh" I
>> would understand it to mean "I don't think so!"
>> That's why when I first encountered "huh?" in the USA I
>> misunderstood at first - but I've sort of got used to
>> it since     :)
>
> Ya, in (many parts of) the US we have a multipurpose
> "huh". It can mean "what? I didn't catch that", or "I
> don't think so!", or "gosh, I didn't know that / who'd a
> thunk it".

Yes, and my examples above are over-simplified.  Much
depends upon context, inflexion of voice, body language for
the exact nuance.  This, I suspect, is the case with all
such interjections - which makes them interesting little 
critters.

> Many of us also have "eh". It's stereotypically Canadian,
> eh, but is also pretty well established in, for example,
> the upper tier of New York (the North Country, probably
> no further south than Syracuse) and in Yooper English
> (which in itself has all kinds of interesting things
> going on, many of them familiar to me others quite
> unfamiliar).

The great thing about this list is that one keeps learning
new things   :)

i had never heard of Yooper English before - but a quick
Google has informed me.   Yep - it sounds interesting.

But to return to "eh" - it is not an interjection I would
normally use.  It feels a bit old fashioned to me. I
associate particularly with my great aunts who were great
users of "eh" and have long since quitted this mortal world.

Having said that, I do occasionally use it in writing.  I
recall a very angry response I once got on this list from
"eh" which sort of took me by surprise.  But it is probably
that in the writer's dialect the interjection was not so
neutral as in mine.  That's one of the pitfalls of using
this little critters in emails where intonation and
bodily language are absent.


> Used this way, appended to the end of a sentence, it
> means "right?", expecting an agreement, or else it is a
> simple emphatic. When used independently, it means
> "what?" To the mix you can also add "honh", [hã]. For me,
> this one means "what? I didn't catch that" while "huh"
> keeps the other two meanings.

I don't know "honh."

But what I have heard used in this neck of the woods is [ɜ]
or [ɐ], or something between, with rising tone; this is
often nasalized.

> An odd word that. I can't think of another word that has
> an obligatory nasal vowel. (It does actually rhyme with
> l'an.)

But interjections often have sounds which are not part of a
languages normal phonetic inventory.  For example, English
does not have click consonants.  But the dental click [ǀ] is
used to show pity, shame or mild displeasure; it is
customarily rendered _tut_ on our side of the Pond and, I
believe, _tsk_ on your side. Of course these have in turn
given rise to spelling pronunciations, but that's another
story    ;)

The lateral click [ǁ] is often used to get a horse moving.
The conventional spelling is _tchik_.  I haven't actually
heard a spelling pronunciation of this, probably because it
would sound the same as _chick_ which would sound daft when
trying to urge on a horse     ;)

[snip]
>>
>> Like "what?" in English   ;)
>>
>> The 'polite' thing is "pardon" - but I mostly hear
>> "what?"
>
> I've become more partial to something like "what was
> that (again)?" A little less rude than "honh" or "what"
> but not quite so posh as "pardon"! :)

Yes, 'pardon' does sound a bit posh which is, I guess, why
"what?" still remains common.
[snip]

>> Yep - and I'm far from convinced by the other examples
>> in the article.
>>
>> My impression is that they formed a theory early on and
>> then tried to fit the 'evidence' to the theory.
>
> Generally not a very good way to do science.

It is not. frankly I found the article disappointing.  An in
depth and objective study of interjections in English(es)
would be more interesting IMO - or maybe an proper in depth
and objective study of certain types of interjection across
a wide range of languages.

-- 
Ray
==================================
http://www.carolandray.plus.com
==================================
If /ni/ can change into /ɑ/, then practically
anything can change into anything.
[YUEN REN CHAO]

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