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CONLANG  April 1999, Week 4

CONLANG April 1999, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Notya: a "neither-verb-nor-noun" conlang?

From:

Ed Heil <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 23 Apr 1999 14:25:01 -0400

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Thank you!  Not being familiar with these terms, I would not have thought of
"lexical" and "grammatical" determination as being two species of a single
genus, without having it specifically explained.

Ed


>===== Original Message From Constructed Languages List
>        Okay, so I'm going to try and define those words more clearly.
>
>        "determiner-determinee" are two members of a pair. Once you
understand
>one, you understand the other. A "determiner" is a word that completes
>another, narrowing its meaning or giving it a special function. With this
>definition, adjectives, possessives, articles, deictics, or some nouns are
>determiners. When you say: "the red ball", 'red' determines 'ball', because
>it narrows the meaning of ball (it's not any ball, it's specifically a red
>one). Another example is "John's ball", where "John's" determines 'ball'
>(it's a specific ball, the one that is owned by John). Those examples are
>examples of what I call 'lexical determination', as here, determination is
>used to narrow the meaning of a word (this word being the... determinee of
>course, the one which is determined).
>        But in a sentence like: "I went into the house", the relation between
>'into' and 'the house' is also (with my definitions) a relation of
>determination, 'into' determining 'the house', because it narrows its
>function (it describes the function of the house, which is the place were I
>went 'into', not 'out of', not 'over', etc... It also narrows the meaning
>of the house, so it can be called a determiner). This kind of relation is
>what I call a 'grammatical determination', because it has more to do with
>the function ('grammar') than with the meaning ('lexicon') (even if often
>things are blended).
>
>        Now, giving examples in Notya to show these distinctions is very
>difficult, as Notya is not very clear when out of context. Just try to
>analyse the examples of my former post about Notya with the definitions I
>gave you, and if you still have problems, just tell me where you have
>problems and I'll try to help you on precise problems (it will be easier
>for me than trying to give examples that are very versatile when not in
>context).
>>
>                                                        Christophe Grandsire
>                                                |Sela Jemufan Atlinan C.G.
>
>"Reality is just another point of view."
>
>homepage : http://www.bde.espci.fr/homepage/Christophe.Grandsire/index.html

--
****************************************************
Ed Heil ..................... [log in to unmask]
****************************************************
     "Koy tse tl'an tse tum gen nekom payaw;
           ts'enra me hlay man yatam."
"The noble nation of Atlantis is greatest among men;
    And its reign shall extend unto eternity."
          (from a Linear P inscription.)
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