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AUXLANG January 2000, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Unicode

From:

Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

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Jay Bowks <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 29 Jan 2000 07:34:41 -0500

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Unicode or no Unicode,
I changed my font preferences,
I'm using Lucida fonts and Don's
message still show up with those
funky and weird letters that have
nothing to do with the hatted
letters.

I started using Lucida fonts in
the Auxilingua Project pages a
couple of years ago... the issue
is not fonts though as I see it
it is actually one of a "need" to
reform Esperanto and bring it into
the 21st century. This would go
a long way in convincing a lot of
folks to make progress in the use
of auxlangs, imho.

Since,
Jay B.
--
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             L(İżİ)K!
http://adam.cheshire.net/~jjbowks
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald J. HARLOW <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: Unicode


>Je 05:23 ptm 1/28/00 -0800, Zeno skribis
>
>>I'm afraid the Unicode discussion is moot.  Unicode is here now, and
>>Esperanto has reserved the required characters.
>
>[Rest of discussion cut, with thanks to Zeno for this information...]
>
>Just by coincidence, last night I was going through Jonathan Knudsen's
>"Java 2D Graphics" (Sebastopol: O'Reilly & Associations, 1999) and I
>discovered that the current version of the Java Developer's Kit from Sun
>Microsystems includes, as part of its distribution, three families of
>Unicode fonts, Lucida Sans, Lucida Bright and Lucida Sans Typewriter.
>Knudsen only mentions that Lucida Sans contains Hebrew and Arabic (which he
>uses for examples of text handling -- right-to-left writing, different
>forms of Arabic characters for initial, medial and terminal positions), but
>I tested all three and found that all three contained the Esperanto
>characters -- not too surprising, since they are quite early in the Unicode
>hierarchy (all lying in the first half centum of the second hex page (*)),
>and are likely to appear in _all_ European Unicode fonts, no matter how
>truncated. I suppose that Cyrillic (which is found earlier in the list than
>Hebrew and Arabic) and Greek are there, as well. (In one of his examples --
>figure 6-14 on p. 137 -- Knudsen displays the circumflexed capital H,
>which, I believe, is unique to Esperanto.)
>
>This is quite a nice advance in Java, by the way. Java's basic setup has
>been oriented towards Unicode since the beginning (unlike in "C", the basic
>"char" definition has been 16-bit, and strings consist entirely of Unicode
>characters), but that early it wasn't possible to do much with Unicode,
>since Java provided only ASCII or Latin-1 fonts with those early releases,
>and -- for security reasons? -- made it impossible to access your machine's
>system fonts. Now Sun's current version of Java not only provides Unicode
>fonts of its own, but even allows you to access other fonts (including
>Unicode) on the system, through its GraphicsEnvironment class.
>
>---
>
>(*) The original ASCII characters occupy the first half centum of the first
>page, for reasons of tradition, one supposes. I believe that the second
>half centum contains "extended ASCII" -- the Latin-1 characters used for
>the West European languages.
>
>Incidentally, Unicode characters are referred to by their descriptions, not
>by the languages in which they are found. The Esperanto "Ĥ", for instance,
>defined as "LATIN CAPITAL LETTER H WITH CIRCUMFLEX".
>
>
>-- Don HARLOW
>http://www.webcom.com/~donh/don/don.html
>
>Baldaŭ venos la Printempa Festo! Prepare por ĝi:
>   Bovisto kaj teksistino, malnova fabelo pri la kreo de la Arĝenta Rivero
>(Lakta Vojo): http://www.webcom.com/~donh/don/esplit/bovisto.html
>   Kanto de maljunulo, eble la plej antikva poemo en la mondo:
>http://www.webcom.com/~donh/don/esplit/maljuna.html
>   Armand SU poezie rerakontas la fabelon Liang Ŝanbo kaj Ĝu Intaj, kiu
>inspiris la famekonatan violonkonĉerton La Papiliaj Geamantoj:
>http://www.best.com/~donh/Esperanto/Literaturo/Revuoj/MondaKulturo/Printemp
o
>65/butterflies.html
>   Kaj ne maltrafu la jam 1500-jare malnovan kanton Mulan:
>http://www.best.com/~donh/Esperanto/Literaturo/Poezio/mulan.html
>

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