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Subject:

Re: -uj in Esp

From:

James Chandler <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:46:10 GMT

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Mikola rote:

>If so, little will remain of [almost?] any IAL. See the article
>"Wie soll das Lautsystem einer kunstlichen internationalen
>Hilfssprache beschaffen sein?" by N. S. Trubetzkoy, in "Travaux du
>Cercle Linguistique du Prague", 8 (Etudes phonologiques de/die/es  a\
>la me/moire de M. le prince N. S. Trubetzkoy), Prague, 1939, p. 521.
>NST puts forth the criteria of learnability for native speaker of any
>language (except, maybe, some very minor ones). An IAL must not have
>tones, nor must it distinguish between long/short vocals, voiced/unvoiced
>consonants, & so on. Finally, we have such a phonology for an ideal
>[I]AL:
>-- only one type of obstruents;
>-- no spirants but [s];
>-- only one liquid;
>-- no combinations of consonants, except of "nasal+cons.";
>-- no final cons., except of [n];
>-- two-syllabled roots;
>-- one-syllabled affixes and grammar words.

Where you say 'only one type of obstruents', i took it to mean 'only one
place of articulation', but a check of the article in question indicates
that Trubetskoy wanted only one voicing value, either voiced or unvoiced,
for obstruents.  This reduces the usual set /p,b,t,d,k,g/ to just /p,t,k/.
Only one spirant rules out /f/.  Only one liquid rules out /r/.  Also
presumably we would have no affricates.  In fact Trubetskoys final set of
consonants is just:
/p,t,k,m,n,l,s,j,w/

Now, if affixes and grammar words are monosyllabic, i make it 10x5x2=100
possible such words (if no cons. clusters are allowed and the only final
cons. is n).  There would be 9900 possible words if words can only be
disyllables.  I would say that both these figures place a serious
restriction on size of vocab and extent of grammatical machinery, which is a
good reason in itself to have a less minimal phonology.

But without a translation into a language i can make head or tail of of
Trubetskoys article, it is hard to comment any further on his proposals.

Kordiale, James Chandler
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http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037/yindex.html
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/5037

"It is only fair to mention that many followers believe they in fact have a
practical test for explanatory adequacy: (1) if it's not from MIT, it's
wrong; (2) of two from MIT, the one O.K.'d by Chomsky or Halle is correct"
- Fred W. Householder, 'On some recent claims in phonological theory'

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