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CONLANG  April 2000, Week 4

CONLANG April 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Passover/Easter (was: Italogallic in Zera,and other languages.)

From:

Raymond Brown <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 28 Apr 2000 20:35:20 +0100

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At 10:47 am +0100 28/4/00, yl-ruil wrote:
>Raymond Brown wrote:
[....]
>> I must track the passage down.  The goddess is vanishing before my very
>eyes.
>
>Please don't be sarcastic,

I am *not* being sarcastic.  I really wanted to know.

If I wanted to be sarcastic I could do rather better than this - but I was
told long, long years ago that sarcasm is the wit of a fool.

I said at the outset that the older I get, the more Bede's explanation
looks to me a a repetition of "folk etymology".  I have merely been seeking
enlightment.  Is that so wrong?

As you will have read, I've spent quite a few hours today searching out the
goddess - she but vanished from my sight.

>I get enough of this constant badgering to validate my beliefs at uni.

Been there, done that  ;)

But I was an enthusiatic young thing then, flushed with the novelty of
conversion & having withstood opposition from my family.  I sort of
relished the occasions - I remember once keeping a Jehovah's witness
arguing on my doorstep for some three hours  :)

But those days are long gone. I've mellowed too much - whether a good thing
or bad thing, I don't know.

Believe what you will - all I ever wanted to know is what exactly Bede said
& whether there is any external evidence to back him up.  Well, I've done
what research I can.

<sigh> I guess I never learn. Socrates, I seem to remember, made himself
pretty unpopular because he wanted to find out the truth & kept on
questioning people in ths pursuit.  I didn't do him much good in the end,
either.

>I _won't_ retort with my argument that Jesus
>Christ, only begotten son of the LORD God was actually a pagan himself.

But you *have* retorted thus!

However, all the credible evidence I know points to his being a Jew (Yes -
I have read Graves' "King Jesus").  What that retort adds to the discussion
about the Bede passage, I fail to see.

>Why not leave us rather inoffensive bunch alone

Er - a little rich, I think, from someone who has just written "I _won't_
retort with my argument that Jesus Christ, only begotten son of the LORD
God was actually a pagan himself", knowing quite well that it will cause
some people offense, and who wrote on 24/4/00:
[....]
>"Easter" was quite a while back, it was the Vernal Equinox.

I think you know well enough that Easter is ranked by Christians as their
most important festival.   If you think that a stark, categorical statement
like that is not, maybe, offensive to those of us that had either
celebrated Easter the day before or were preparing to celebrate it this
coming Sunday, then I don't know what you consider offense is.

But I did not reply in kind.  I did not return the offense; instead, when
you went on to write:
>Originally,
>Easter (OE. eastre, Old Frisian asteron, OHG ostarun) was the festival of
>Eostre (actually the WS form was Eastre, Eostre was Bede's Northumbrian
>form), the goddess of the dawn. The Proto-Germanic was *Austron, based on
>*austra "east", from PIE *aus-, which also gave Latin aurora.

...I merely asked for the evidence supporting the above statement.  Is it
really so wrong to want to find out the truth?

[....]
>and get back to
>interdenominational wrangling?

....and that's not being sarcastic, I suppose.

But you & I are clearly coming from different ontological standpoints.  I
don't see any point in going on with this thread & I certainly don't want
to trade insult with insult.  I'd rather want to get back to conlanging,
which is what I joined the list for.

Ray.


=========================================
A mind which thinks at its own expense
will always interfere with language.
                   [J.G. Hamann 1760]
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