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AUXLANG May 2000, Week 2

Subject:

Re: I'm new. What's going on?

From:

Oskar Gudlaugsson <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 15 May 2000 00:29:50 GMT

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Roy McCoy replied

>...having often said that I've never seen a planned
>language that I really like. What do you think of the idea of a group of
>people working on the frontrunner, Esperanto, with the goal of making it
>more logical, attractive, etc.? Do you see something worthwhile possibly
>coming out of that, or do you think it's trying to make a silk purse out
>of a sow's ear (as they say)?
>
I've never heard your phrase before, but if you mean that it's not worth it,
then yes. I'm wholly against Esperanto, because I think it's a stagnated,
obsolete product of the late 19th century. I'm against the idea that we all
have to unite under the banner of one language which shall always be the
same. I believe the process of creating a successful IAL is a long one which
involves creating new forms (languages) and rejecting them once the thought
behind them becomes obsolete. I'm not degrading Dr Zamenhof's work, I think
it's impressive - FOR HIS TIME. It's not worthy of the 20th century, and
certainly not of the 21st, now that we have a much better understanding of
morphology, syntax, phonology, etc. Also because the world is so much more
global and less European than at the time of Esperanto's creation (face it -
it's Eurocentric). So what I'm saying is that I don't believe we can rework
much from Esperanto, that should have been done back in the 1920's or
something. The gap between "modern language technology" and Esperanto is
just too great.

>
>...I'm afraid I don't have anything
>of interest to say on the subject of IAL phonology, as Esperanto's seems
>to me to work sufficiently well, the admittedly troublesome R notwith-
>standing. So I just want 26 reasonably appropriate sounds for the 26
>letters of the Latin alphabet. At least that makes sense to me, I dunno...

Well, I believe the issue of phonology is much bigger than that. Auxlangers
often seem to confuse phonology with orthography, or see it from the
viewpoint of orthography. This doesn't necessarily stem from ignorance, but
rather from indifference. I'm however quite interested in phonology and have
therefore studied it on my own.
  The problem is often that IALs tend to be created by just a single person
and therefore show weak spots in the fields in which the author was not
interested or not talented. That is to say, we may have an expert on syntax
designing a great code with absolutely horrible phonology because that's
just not his field. If I'd design an IAL, the phonology would be fine but
the syntax would probably be rather unimaginative. Because that's just not
my field of interest. That's why I believe the IAL must be designed by a
team of people with interests and expertise spanning the whole range of
features which the IAL must have.
  To answer your question about how I see Esperanto, I feel Esperanto's
phonology is void or non-existent, from a phonologist's point of view. It
seems as if it was never considered. Or so it seems to me, having knowledge
of phonology. Instead, Zamenhof designed an alphabet (a bad one), with some
phonology around it. At least I've never seen real phonetic definitions of
Esperantan phonology, complete with IPA transcription and clarification of
phonotactic rules. Etc.

>
>The problem with a priori IALs is that they haven't shown any propensity
>for catching on, and so very few people (myself included) are willing to
>invest the quite considerable amount of time and energy required to learn
>one of them.

I know the considerable disadvantages of a priori languages. Until recently
I had been against them, for just the reasons you state. However, I've
become sick of a certain pattern that constantly repeats itself in my a
pretiori auxlang design: first I conclude that the lexicon will have to be
predominantly from the Western IE branch. Then I start designing some
interesting phonology and morphology. Then I find that I cannot make my
phonology as smooth, international, and easy-to-pronounce without distorting
all the IE forms. Next I find that I have problems with morphological
syllables having a grammatical meaning which may not exist in IE. Then I end
up abandoning my smooth phonology and logical morphology, in order to keep
the language "natural". In the end I just have either Esperanto (marginally
natural) or Interlingua (natural). And I just hate the cultural arrogance in
creating Romance-based languages to serve as the international medium. I
lived in Asia, I learnt to speak Cantonese, I feel how difficult and
sometimes idiosyncratic Western languages can be for non-Westerners. I truly
believe, therefore, that the IAL must ultimately be a priori.
  However, a compromise can be reached. There is nothing to stop us from
using IE-like stems when they are easily pronouncable or do not somehow
interfere with the design of the language. What I'm opposing is being bound
by the morphology and phonology of IE languages, just because they happen to
be of the biggest family.

Óskar Gušlaugsson

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