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CONLANG  May 2000, Week 3

CONLANG May 2000, Week 3

Subject:

Re: more English orthography

From:

Herman Miller <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 17 May 2000 22:23:49 -0500

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On Wed, 17 May 2000 19:52:13 -0400, Nik Taylor <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Some kinds it can handle pretty well, like when German collapses /d/ and
>/t/ into [t] word-finally, it could be considered a case of the phoneme
>/d/ becoming /t/.  But, of course, in cases like Japanese /d/ and /z/,
>which become /dz/ (NOT /dZ/) before /u/ it fails.

An interesting English example (which works in my dialect, and perhaps
other American dialects) is what happens with the words "writer" and
"rider". The distinction between /t/ and /d/ is neutralized, but the effect
on the length and quality of the /ai/ vowel remains! The vowel of "writer"
is shorter, and a bit more centralized, than the vowel of "rider".
(Slightly exaggerated for illustration: ['r\6i4@`] vs. ['r\A:i4@`].)

Tirelat has an interesting case: the letter "y" often represents a
palatalization of the preceding consonant, and also often affects the
pronunciation of the following vowel. I *could* certainly consider sounds
like "hy" [C] and "ky" [c] as distinct phonemes, but it would seem to be
more efficient if "y" is allowed to be a phoneme. An extreme case is
represented by the word "hwyuhwyu" ['H_0yH_0y] ("the sound of whistling").
Does it make sense to include the phoneme "hwy" [H_0] for the sake of a
single word? It's a sound that occurs nowhere else in the language, but
there are no minimal pairs. It would be nice to consider "y" as a phoneme
that is realized in some cases as a combination of consonant palatalization
and/or vowel fronting. That would certainly simplify the description of the
phonology, if I ever have the inclination to formalize it.

--
languages of Azir------> ----<http://www.io.com/~hmiller/languages.html>---
    h i l r i . o         "If all Printers were determin'd not to print any
     m l e @ o c m       thing till they were sure it would offend no body,
   (Herman Miller)       there would be very little printed." -Ben Franklin

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