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AUXLANG  May 2000, Week 5

AUXLANG May 2000, Week 5

Subject:

Re: pseudo-pscience

From:

"Robert J. Petry, C.L." <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 31 May 2000 15:57:36 -0700

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Chris Burd wrote:

> On Wed, 31 May 2000 07:01:45 -0400, Bob LeChevalier (lojbab)
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Petry psays:
>
> >>Another distortion. Thanks Don. First, de Wahl did not praid Hoerbiger's
> >>"flaky
> >>pseudo-science." It was only translated and put into Occidental to show
> that
> >>astronomy words, etc. were just as clear in Occidental.
> >
> >Stop right there.  I did not read the earlier discussion, but I don't need
> >to - this argument stinks.  The choice of what texts are worthy to be used
> >as translation examples says much about the person doing the
> >translation.

Wow, I missed this clear censorship kind of thinking the first time I read it.
This censorship mentality not only stinks, it is putrid, and speaks volumes.

> >But choosing a pseudoscientist's writings to have examples of astronomy
> >words is like choosing L. Ron. Hubbard's works to have an example of
> >theology: it seems almost calculated to gain more disrespect than respect.

And, more of the same stinky thinking, don't you think? ;-) I just wonder now
if perhaps some Esperantist hasn't written something about L. Ron Hubbard's
work in Esperanto? And, if so, is he open to such corny criticism? Or, maybe
something even in Lojban. Or will they refuse to do so because Bob LeC believes
it is "pseudo-science" and his opinion rules? ;-)

Also, Bob and Don, are you going to use the same ludicrous arguments against
Ido now, too? Are you going to pick on that langauge as being no cottonpickin
good because they published "pseudo-science". Your arguments stink to the high
places. And, oh, this "psuedo-science" was published in Ido before it was
published in Occidental. Let's hear your crank fanatic censorship criticisms
now, friends. Common, let's hear the justifications for this absurd nonsense.
The title in Ido was "La Glaciala Kosmogonio, Koncepto di Kosmotekniko". It was
16 pages, again, that is in Ido, repeat, in Ido. This "pseudo-science" was in
Ido first. And, here is why the article was published, in case you censorship
oriented people think it was on a "stupid whim". "... noi con apart joy
satisfa' li desir de multes de nor letores presentar in Cosmoglotta li cardinal
theses del Glacial Cosmologie...". Readers asked for it, it was presented. Ask
to do that with Esperanto,  and Lojban's??? publications, and you will be
turned down, eh? Just like the fellow a while back mentioned the censorship he
ran into today, and then Don tried to answer that he didn't personally remember
that being the case. Ok, Bob and Don, let's hear how you answer the Idoists
about why they published that piece of "pseudo-science". I'd like to hear how
you put them down.

> For what it's worth, I think Ingvar Stenstroem's essay on Occidental says
> these texts on "cosmoglaciology" were translated into or written in
> Occidental by the author himself (presumably Hoerbiger). Note to frustrated
> crank authors: Have you considered publishing in an auxiliary language?

Don't try Esperanto or Lojban though, you'll be censored and called a crank in
public and unworthy of the languages. They don't want to be associated with
"cranks" and "fanatics". ;--)))
And, Ingvar Stenstroem's essay is incorrect, as is often the case with these
3rd party appraisals of Occidental history. E. Pigal is the translator. Here is
his introductory comment on it, just in case those of you who hate history and
the facts, don't mind reading the truth for a change. It's amazing how much
folks know who have no materials, etc. and argue against someone who has ALL
the materials they argue against but know nothing about. But, of course,
obviously, the one with ALL the materials on Occidental from day one, can't
possibly know what happened, only those without the material know anything,
because they quote the enemies of Occidental for their information, and that
must be right, right? ;-)

E. Pigal: "Yo ne posse cluder li present pre-nota sin mentionar que Senior Karl
Janotta, Secretario del Central Officie del Occidental-Union, sam quam in omni
redactional labores, ha auxiliat me anc in li secuent difficil scientic articul
per su rich experienties in nomenclatura e diction international."

>
> For anyone interested in an overview of the Occidental movement from the
> point of view of a sympathetic outsider,
> Stenstroem's "Occidental/Interlingua: Factos e fato de un lingua
> international" is well worth the price ($US5.00). It's available from the
> UMI Servicio de Libros at http://www.interlingua.com
>

I've read excerpts from it somewhere on the net. Some of the "facts" need to be
a bit updated and corrected. But, yes, send them the money, I think it's great.
However, as I recall, I'm supposed to send all the quotes, articules, dates,
times etc. that I've written up for free. Seems only my material, and
Occidental must be free to everybody. Don't interlinguAists believe the same
for their material? So, I want my free copy and equal time to present the
actual quotes from the Occidental writings that show the errors. Anybody up for
the facts, or just want to stick with the modern day fairytales presented as
the facts of Occidental? ;-)


Cordialmen,
Bob, x+O~

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