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AUXLANG  July 2000, Week 4

AUXLANG July 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Using dictionaries

From:

Paul O Bartlett <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:43:13 -0400

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On Sun, 23 Jul 2000, Robert J. Petry, C.L. wrote (excerpted):

> I have avoided for the most part using Occidental constantly here. I
> post on occassion a quote, or my own comment in Occidental, but have
> never written exclusively in Occ.

    I speak only for myself, but I have stated that I have no
objection to your using Occidental here.  If Kjell R. may use
Interlingua, you may certainly use Occidental.

> Those of you writing on auxlang in your own prefered IAL. Some quite
> frequently, some rarely, how often do you have to consult your
> dictionary?

    In my own case, frequently.  (Apart from a few isolated sentences
here and there in Esperanto and Ido, the only conIALs I have tried to
write much in have been Interlingua and Glosa.)  I am one of those for
whom the big bugaboo of learning language is vocabulary.  Grammar I can
usually handle, but vocabulary is a big headache for me.

    At the same time, I readily concede one point: if I did more
writing (I have little or no opportunity for speaking), I would
probably retain vocabulary better through repetition and use.  For
several years, due to health problems, I did not work, so I had more
leisure time.  Now, however, I am working for a living again, and I
just don't have as much time and energy to expend on a constructed
auxiliary as an end in itself.  Just as I lost much of the French I
studied for five years, starting nearly forty years ago, through
disuse, so also I don't retain conIAL vocabulary through lack of use.

    Of course, there is ample apportunity for me to do so, as there are
mailing lists dedicated to use of this or that conIAL (although on the
Glosa list, to which I have just resubscribed after a long absence, the
dominant discussion language has tended to be English).  That I do not
make more use of them is no one's fault but my own.  It is the old
initial learning hurdle.  At first the process (for me, anyway) is
tedious and frustrating, and the temptation is strong simply to give
up before much fluency is attained.  (I am an individual with low
frustration tolerance generally in life.)

    Also, and again speaking only for myself, there is no one
constructed auxiliary which has gained any real degree of commitment
from me.  I have had interest in this one or that for a time, but I
admit that none of them have really "captivated" me, so to speak.
Because I have little facility of language learning in my present
circumstances, and because there is little that I might want to do that
I cannot do in English, I myself readily acknowledge that my interest
in IAL issues is more theoretical than immediate.  If there were one or
more individuals with whom I wished to communicate regularly but with
whom I shared no natlang, the situation might be different.

> This may or may not be of any importance, but if a person has to spend
> 50% of his/her time, or more using a dictionary in composing letters,
> etc. then that says to me there is a problem.

    But only an individual one, I would say.

>                                     So, the extention to the question
> is, how easy is your language to use without a dictionary for the
> "experienced" person who decides to learn? So, :

    I think that the question as posed is almost unanswerable and may
not even be posed well.  Some people seem to have more facility than
others at picking up languages as adults.  I doubt that we can make any
sort of blanket statements in this regard.

--
Paul                             mailto:[log in to unmask]
..........................................................
Paul O. Bartlett, P.O. Box 857, Vienna, VA 22183-0857, USA
Keyserver (0xF383C8F9) or WWW for PGP public key
Home Page:  http://www.smart.net/~bartlett

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