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AUXLANG July 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Re: nove IAL?

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Ken Caviness wrote:

> I will be very sad to learn that you invest little time in
> any of them because some people learn _them_ for fun.

Actually, it's the movement I haven't invested much time in (and don't plan to). And
generally, i'm not that interested in IAL's as languages (Volapuk is kind of loveable,
whatever the author was taking, I want some too!)
But generally, I'd prefer to invest my language learning time to something interesting like
Vietnamese or Hungarian or even Tagolog (incredibly interesting grammar marred by wholesale
important of words, phrases, entire sentences from English - it's like a beautiful building
covered in ugly grafitti).

> Seriously, you push the commercial usefulness, and more power to you.
> But "just for the fun of it", the intellectual challenge, curiosity,
> etc., are fine reasons to learn a constructed language, too.  Don't
> knock it.

'just for the fun of it' is a fine reason to learn _any_ language, but 'for the fun of it'
doesn't pay the rent (or help get IAL's into use, the only thing I'm really interested in as
far as they go).

>
> > But that first step
> > is meaningless without something to back it up.
>
> The catch-22 here being your "something".
>

agreed

>
> > I check out an Eo physics site a while ago (which seemed to be a mess for a number of
> > different reasons) how about starting a small-scale Eo-physics group (or joining one
> > that already exists?)
>
> Are you basing your suggestions on the idea that only professional
> activites using Esperanto have any value?  What is your justification
> for that view?

No, I'm not saying that. I am saying, however, that only professional activities will change
the status of Eo from tiny private language into the inter-continental blockbuster it could
be (and the eo movado better start moving or Bob's gonna bury its ass single-handedly and if
he does, I don't want to hear a peep of protest from _anyone_).

No matter how much wonderful literature is written in Eo, no matter how much fun people have
at UK's, no matter how much speakers believe Eo enriches their lives thru bonds of 'homo al
homo' friendship, the language will remain the domain of a privileged few and it will make
no difference at all in any kind of linguistic politics and the world will continue with the
same dysfunctional linguage dog-eat-dog politics.

Learning Eo without integrating it into your professional life is (to borrow an old
expression) like winking at a pretty girl in the dark, you know what you've done, but no one
else does.
I've mostly failed at integrating Eo into my preofessional life (I've had, what I've thought
to be a good plan or two at the institute where I work undone by various factors, the best
idea I had, to offer Eo in place of then required (and unpopular) Russian never got off the
ground because Russian is no longer required.
(And I'm not crazy about the plans of a couple of Eo-speaking colleagues, which seem to me
to be aimed at producing more movadistoj instead of merely competent users which could do
the movement more good).
But still I try and I do try to keep people here posted on what I think good ideas and plans
are (unlike some, who are apparently afraid the 'wrong' languages would benifit if they
shared their ideas, but no names, please).



> As it happens, I suspect that by helping out with the online Free
> Esperanto Course (*) I've done more to help the IAL movement than if I
> published physics papers in Esperanto.  (That was one of your previous
> suggestions.)

We'll have to agree to disagree about that. I do think your work with the online course is
great, but I think your helping to edit an on-line physics mini-journal would be better.

BTW has anyone thought of 'tracking' those who finish the course? That is does anyone check
one or two years later to see if the people that complete the course are still using the
language? BTW What percentage of people that start course actually finish it? 50%? (that
would be a very good percentage, I know for myself how hard it is to get and keep people in
a voluntary language learning situation) more? less?


> (** Incidentally, I have recently gotten an idea [one of my rare good
> ones?]

I doubt that (that your good ideas are rare, that is)

> which seems to me to have real possibilities, as in "might make a
> measurable difference" over the course of a decade in the world-wide use
> of Esperanto.  That sounds more impressive than it is, but anyway, I'll
> report more after I've taken the first tottering step or two.)

Great! and don't be so modest. Many of the best ideas don't seem impressive to those who get
them. I'll be waiting impatiently for news.

-amike
mike farris

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