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AUXLANG  August 2000, Week 4

AUXLANG August 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Li Statu de Interlingue

From:

Leo Caesius <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:10:23 GMT

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

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text/plain (85 lines)

Yo ha scrit:
"His opinions had no place within the Occidental movement and should not be
taken seriously by those who love the Occidental tongue."

e Jay ha respondet:
"Nope, I don't agree with that one. Occidental is as much part of
Interlingua as Interlingua is part of Occidental. They both derive their
vocabulary from similar sources. It's not the raw materials that made them
different it's just the recipe and the garnish."

    True ... Occidental and Interlingua derive their vocabulary from similar
sources.  Nevertheless, there is a fundamental difference between Occidental
and Interlingua which we all have overlooked.

    I've come to believe that a compromise between Occidental and
Interlingua is neither desirable nor possible.  While Occidental did change
during its formative years (*) for the last 49 years it has successfully
resisted change.  It has remained as a preserved butterfly in a hermetically
sealed jar, held in stasis for the entertainment of the occasional
interlinguistic entymologist.  The proponents of Occidental, individuals
such as Matejka, Haas, and more recently Robert J. Petry have lobbied long
and hard to prevent "tinkering" with their language, and successfully driven
out all of the subversive elements in the Occidentalist movement.
    Even Reeve, as is obvious from the article I recently received from
Robert J. Petry, later recanted and nixed the idea of an Occidental/
Interlingua compromise.  As Robert J. Petry was to remind us in subsequent
posts, "ti ne es mi opinion, ma li opinion de sr. Reeve, sr. Haas, sr.
Matejka, etc. Dir altrimen es un distortion de li modern "occidentalistes" e
altres qui ne conosse li complet narativ del historie o pensas de E. de Wahl
e li ancian Occidentalistes."
    Consequently, Occidental has not changed much in 49 years.  The
"tinkerers" have all gone over to other IALs.  In fact, most of the Young
Turks of Occidental are first and foremost proponents of other constructed
languages.  All except Robert J. Petry, who is the sole one of the lot to
dedicate himself completely to Occidental and Occidental alone, without any
other diversions.  I think that fact, in and of itself, tells you quite a
lot.  Robert J. Petry has been laboring long and hard to reacquaint the
world with all of the Occidental texts about certain themes such as glacial
cosmogony and the Esperantist conspiracies against Occidental, and I think
he deserves proper recognition for having dredged all of this stuff up.
     It's a shame that there aren't more original texts being produced in
Occidental.  Just because the flow of original texts in Occidental has
slowed down to a trickle doesn't mean that the well has dried up, does it?
There must still be some original thinkers left in the Occidental movement,
right?  Robert J. Petry can't be the only one!
     However, to reiterate something Robert J. Petry once said, the
Occidental community is just not large enough to tolerate tinkering with the
language right now, nor could it survive some sort of compromise with
Interlingua.  Therefore, for the sake of preserving this wonderful language,
we must avoid change at all costs.  I still remember, as if it were
yesterday, when Robert J. Petry said to us, "And, right now, think of this.
Is there really a big enough group of people using the "naturalistic" IALs
to even warrant a "consolidation"?  A consolidation with people who are
already into another IAL, no matter its basis, is only asking for more
tinkering, changing, and splitting all over again."  Words of wisdom, my
friends, words of wisdom.  Occidental must be preserved like a fly in amber,
something delicate and beautiful and NOT to be tampered with ;^)

(*) note this text, one of the earliest texts in Occidental, written by von
Wahl himself: "Un de l plu grav e samli plu dificultose questiones es l
enregistration de derivat paroles internationali en un simpli e regulari
sistem, que tamen ne deforma les, cam Esperanto, Ido Neutral-antiqui e c. Un
parti'e de cel paroles es l abstracti verbal substantives, significant statu
o action, queles essi' tre dificultosi a registrar en lor sense segun un
vid-punt generali. L cause essi' l anterior grammatical metode de
classification de verbes. Ma l parol-formation ne relate a tal artificial
metodes. It depende del psychologie lingual. It appare me, que mi ha trovat
cel base
psychologial, quel da un bon medie de classification, que mi vole exposer en
l sequent."  Jay Bowks was the first to bring this text to my attention.

     One note:  Robert J. Petry has asked me, off-list of course, to stop
posting Occidental materials to this list.  So, from this letter, I will
cease to bring his materials to your attention, unless he asks me to post
them to AUXLANG.  I can't promise that I will cease completely to use
Occidental...

seriosimen,
-Chollie
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