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AUXLANG  September 2000, Week 4

AUXLANG September 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Eo's Screaming... (was Re: In/transitive

From:

Ken Caviness <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:07:10 -0400

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michael farris wrote:

> Yeah I'd regularize accent in a planlingvo, it's a very bad idea for an IAL to have
> variable accent. (by which I mean you shouldn't be able to distinguish two words by
> accent placement alone, ie English 'rEcord' 'recOrd'). The biggest strength of regular
> accent however is that if someone gets the accent wrong it doesn't change the meaning
> and most people won't notice, I often hear Czech and hungarian Eo speakers use initial
> stress on words of three or more syllables, it causes no problems. (I'd say that Eo has
> an emerging distinctive stress, most of the time I hear mAldesktra, not maldEkstra).

C`u vere?  Tre interese, mi g`is nun _neniam_ a¨dis la prononcon
"mAldekstra".

kc> > >I use back-apostrophe:  c`, etc.  x's look horrible to me
>
> The back apostrophe isn't always available I think and tends to look just like an
> apostrophe (I didn't noticed the difference until you pointed it out).

With the font I'm using the back apostrophe looks like the termination
of a circumflex (which didn't quite print) on the previous letter, so it
almost looks like the correctly "hatted" letter.

> Also the apostrophe is already used as punctuation in Eo "Mi konas Ken'on",

I've seen it occasionally, but don't use it.  "Mi konas Mikon"

> Still,  I'd put that
> third on the list of usable options after h and x, but please, no u' )

Latin-1 includes ¨ (u-breve), so sometimes I use that instead of u`,
more people still seem to be able to see it with zero effort than
Latin-3 or Unicode.  But no, I don't use u'.

> As for x, I don't
> mind cx, gx and sx, I don't like 'jx' (but in the interests of progress I'm willing to
> get used to it) I think 'ux' is an abomination, ugly and useless and 'w' is better,
> although the word 'jxawdo' won't win any beauty contests.

The x-metodo is unknown off-line, and I find it extremely ugly -- not
just 'jx'.  I'd apply the word abomination to the whole thing, not
merely to 'ux'.

My personal theory is that the x's were suggested by a Neovolapukist
agent provocateur, as part of a plot to discredit Esperanto in the eyes
of anyone who stumbles across a webpage and sees unpronouncable words
strewn with x's.

> > , if you make
> > me choose a digraph I'll go along with the ho-metodo, but I'm glad I
> > don't have to.
> >
> > Any other options?  I'm surprised noone has mentioned:
> >
> > (5) use 'q', 'w', 'x' to represent 'c`', '?', and 's^', respectively,
> > throw away all others ....
>
> Believe it or not, I do take considerations like existing printed materials into
> consideration. This option would make a lot of dictionaries considerably less useful in
> ways that 'cx' or 'ch' or 'c'' don't.

Hmm, how careful do you want to be?  The methods you mention all sort
differently, and only c` or c' will sort in the same order as the
correctly hatted characters.  But maybe we shouldn't go there....

> > (6) use numerals (they're on your keyboard)
>
> ???? That's bizarre. (and similar to 5)

I kid you not, I've seen a book describing a planlingvo (not Esperanto)
where the numerals were taken to represent additional phonemes.
Funky-lookin'!

G`is,

Ken

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