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AUXLANG  September 2000, Week 4

AUXLANG September 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Eo chapelitoj (again!) (was Re: In/transitive

From:

Roy McCoy <[log in to unmask]>

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International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:34:20 +0200

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michael farris skribis:

> Don't abolish Eo chapelitoj, just don't use them.

Spoken like a true hoisto. You're in some good company on that.

> Enough options in actual use are out there, only one has the official
> blessing of Zhof though (guess which)

That's what people in the UEA office think, too. I have a pretty dark
vision of the x thing, like with people *trying* to be ugly and anti and
"different", you know. The club, ha ha.

> The way I prefer to write Eo used four (4) four count 'em four diagraphs.
> I'll list them, 'ch' 'gh' 'jh' and 'sh'. Again, not exactly a brainbuster
> for most people. On those rare occasions when g + h does not equal 'gh',
> the two can be separated with a hyphen as in 'flug-haveno'.... Having
> said that, if another option had some sort of official recognition
> (or endorsement from a group of Eo bigshots) I'd be happy to use that
> instead.

Someone in esp-novo tried to characterize the h-alphabet as merely a
"piednoto" to the Fundamento, but I shortly thereafter refuted this by
quoting Z to the contrary: "Tiu chi maniero de skribado... jam de longe
ekzistas en la Fundamento de nia lingvo." His definitive proposal to the
Lingva Komitato on this was:

> Por ke la mondo ne opiniu erare, ke tekstoj en Esperanto ne estas facile
> preseblaj kaj por ke tiu erara opinio ne servu plu kiel batalilo en la
> manoj de la malamikoj de Esperanto, la Lingva Komitato rekomendas, ke
> ghis la plena fortikigho de Esperanto chiuj verkoj kaj gazetoj Esperantaj
> estu presataj per la litero "h" anstatau la signeto "^", kaj anstatau
> "u`" estu uzata simple "u", kiu post vokalo chiam devas esti legata kiel
> "u`". En la tre maloftaj okazoj, kiam "h" post la literoj "c", "g", "h",
> "j", "s", au "u" post vokalo, devas esti elparolataj memstare, ili devas
> havi antau si apostrofon au streketon (-).

There's your hyphen for you, too. And with the Fundamento, Zamenhof,
the Central Office of UEA, and *me* all going with you on the h-system,
I don't think you're going to be able to find a grander group of Esperanto
bigshots.

> I've gone on record for a Yugoslavia-style solution (no, not sitting in
> the mountains and shooting at people), that means preserving the
> traditional letters for those who want to use them but giving either of
> these two alternatives (or maybe somehting else) full equality all the
> time. So that if the special characters are not available (or you just
> don't want to mess with them) you can use the other system. I wonder why
> no eo proponent here has ever responded to that proposal (I've written it
> two or three times already, and I'll keep mentioning it until I get a
> response).

It's not a new proposal. That's the way it's supposed to be already.
There was a book by Tazio Carlevaro published with x's recently, for
example, and hardly an eyebrow was raised.

> yes, say it loud! say it proud! Eo screaming-pain-in-the-butt letters!
> Can I get an amen?/???

AMEN!

> So if you write 'car' (dear) then please write 'carate'
> (japanese self-defense system).

My wife has a Sony cassette machine her father brought back from Japan,
with all-Japanese characters on it and stuff, and with the name "Caraoke" -
which totally surprised me. Too bad it wasn't "Caraoce", from my viewpoint.

Bye bye, Mike, hope to see you in esp-novo.

Roy

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