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CONLANG  September 2000, Week 4

CONLANG September 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Pseudopassive constructions, sentences, husky Norwegians

From:

Matt McLauchlin <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 27 Sep 2000 05:23:02 GMT

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> >Ian teuc.
> >ia-n   | teuc-Ø
> >I  abs | love 3pSgPrSim
> >"I am loved."
>
>What does "Sim" mean?

Simple/progressive, as opposed to perfect, future, or indefinite/imperfect.

>I don't see where your problem is, actually.  The verb does appear to agree
>with the subject in all your sentences.  You don't say "someone", but the
>verb still agrees with it.  The only difference between the last two
>sentences is word order.  The meaning between the two is not that extreme
>-- it is not unheard of for indefinite subjects to evolve into passives.

OK, good.

>Since verbs mark person, could explicit ergative pronouns be dropped (like
>subject pronouns à la Romance)? In other words, is:
>Teuca Áudridan. I love Audrid.
>a valid sentence?

No, just like *Aime Audrid = "(I) love Audrid" isn't a valid sentence of
French.

>How 'bout:
>Áudridan teuca . for: Audrid is loved by me? (or is it "Audrid, I >love."
>[not husky Sven]?)

Both would be Áudridan iar teuca (or "teuca iar") [iks Sbenan troiard] :)

>Can:
>
>Teuc ian.
>
>also be interpreted as, "He loves me."?
>
>or do we need an explicit 'he-erg'?

You would need an explicit he-erg. If there's no ergative in the sentence,
no definite ergative can be interpreted.

>I like the Ian teuc./Teuc ian. split, since they both basically mean the
>same thing, but there's a shift in focus. Does it work across the board >of
>personal pronoun endings?

Not just personal pronoun endings:

Ger rodz oin iam. She-erg sells something-abs me-dat = She sells me
something.
Iam rodz oin ger. Me-dat sells something-abs she-erg = I buy something from
her.





Blessed be,                        Écartons ces romans
Matt McLauchlin                          qu'on appèle systèmes,
GM18, Montreal, Canada             Et pour nous éléver
English/français/esperanto               descendons dans nous-mêmes.
icq: 4420218                               -Voltaire
http://www.crosswinds.net/~montrealais

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