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CONLANG September 2000, Week 4

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R: Re: preferred voices?

From:

Mangiat <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:37:14 +0200

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David Bell wrote:

> > From: Mangiat
> >
> > > >   The only explanation I've ever
> > > >gotten is that it's not as powerful as active but I don't really buy
> > > >that.
> > >
> > > That doesn't really make much sense to me.  What is "powerful"
> > supposed to
> > > mean?
> >
> > I find the passive voice powerful as the active. Ergative langs
> > use passive
> > much more than active (okay, okay, that's not exactly the same thing!).
>
>
> Actually, I don' think that is the case.  Many (most?) ergative languages
> don't even have a passive.

Well, I meant that if we consider a passive verb a verb which agrees with
the patient, in an ergative lang we'd have:

me.ERG love.3s girl.ABS

From a western's perfective, influenced by accusative langs (BUT this's not
the case, and that's why I said it wasn't the same), the verb concording
with the patient would generally mean passive.

Luca


>  You may be referring to the antipassive, which
> for ergative languages serves an analogous function as the passive does
for
> accusative languages.  However, although the antipassive may be used more
in
> ergative languages than the passive is in accusative ones, I am not at all
> certain that it is used more than the active and rather suspect that this
is
> not the case.  I'll check my sources.
>
> David
>

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