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CONLANG  October 2000, Week 3

CONLANG October 2000, Week 3

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Re: târuven vowels and diphthongs

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Mon, 16 Oct 2000 14:14:42 +0200

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* daniel andreasson <[log in to unmask]> [001016 09:51]:
> Taliesin skrev:
>
> > I can send you other
> > versions of the sounds (different subtype of .wav) as I after much
> > work finally found a program that were capable of converting them.
> > (An Amiga, no less)
>
> That would be great! Thanks.

ftp://rhiann.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/ling/phon/IPAsounds/
(since big files in email is a no-no </sysadmin>)

I sure wonder why the mp3s didn't work, have you tried downloading
them, then playing?

> > > > Don't fuss over 'em; if the {i} of {a} is the closest to /j/,
> > > > the {i} of {} is somewhere between /j/ and /w/ or if you like
> > > > a rounded /j/. The difference between {a} and {a} is that {}
> > > > is closest to /w/ while {} is somewhere between /j/ and /w/,
> > > > but closer to /w/ than the {} of {}. Btw, /H/ is in the French
> > > > word _lui_ /lHi/ or something like that.
>
> > > AHA! _Now_ I got it! Why didn't you say so in the first place? :)
>
> > Ah goody you mean that explanation works? Maybe I can finally update
> > the sounds-page then :)
>
> Well, I meant the explanation of /H/ as in French _lui_. But the entire
> passage is good.

The grave versions of the vowels are the semi-vowels of those vowels...
how's that explanation?

> > > > Roughly: /ALwA.uwi.u_Lu_H:\.e:.y/
>
> > > Hmm. My try wasn't that close. So there's a tetraphthong in
> > > the beginning? That was somewhat hard to see. I petty those
> > > little truven (what _is_ the adjective again?) children trying
> > > to learn how to read and write at school. Ouch.
>
> > Tip: count number of vowels with graves and acutes that are next
> > to eachother, add 1 (for the diacriticless vowel in front), and
> > hey presto!
>
> AHA! Again: Why didn't you say so in the first place?! Pieces are
> starting to fall into the right places.

Thought I did, maybe I wasn't explicit enough.

> > Actually it marks palatalization or a hyper-short closed front vowel
> > whose rounding depends on it's neighbors. I've thought of replacing it
> > with {} mu, but I've also thought of using that one for nasals that
> > take their point of articulation from their neighbors.
>
> Now that's a cool idea! A nice system to make the phonological rules
> shine through in the orthography.

I want more letters! Bwahaa... and when Unicode finally gets here, all
files will be twice as big... *grumble*

[snip (assumed) Windows-trouble, 'cause don't get me started...]


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