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CONLANG  October 2000, Week 3

CONLANG October 2000, Week 3

Subject:

Re: târuven vowels and diphthongs

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daniel andreasson <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:51:12 +0200

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Taliesin skrev:

> Might be the program used that is the problem.

Tried it with Windows Media Player, RealPlayer, Winamp, AudioStation2
and finally WAVEplay which said "corrupt file - cannot play". So I
guess we've localized the problem.

> I can send you other
> versions of the sounds (different subtype of .wav) as I after much
> work finally found a program that were capable of converting them.
> (An Amiga, no less)

That would be great! Thanks.

> > Yep. For some reason I can't get into my head that {o} is /u/ and
> > {u} is /}/. You'd think I could, since I'm Swedish. :)

> Hehe yeah. The entire line of closed vowels is neat though, i y u o
> in truven (/i/ /y/ /}/ /u/). Very "top-heavy" language :) So far,
> all daughter- and sister-languages I've found have at least collapsed
> the y with u or i.

Let's pray that never happens to Swedish or Norwegian. :)
I think your {u} is different from mine. Is it the same {u} you use
for Norwegian? Cos mine is a front vowel, between // and /y/ but
with the lips inrounded instead of outrounded. I think I could use
a wav-file to listen to. To hear what a central {u} sounds like, i.e.

> The following diphthongs exist in the vocab I have today, sorted by
> frequency: a e u a y y y y u u o a o o o i i e a

It's getting easier and easier to pronounce these correctly.

> That pair is actually quite easy... {o} and {o}{ygrave} would be
> rather worse :) In an earlier incarnation, those were written {o}
> and {y}. Nowadays they're the same, pronounced as the latter,
> written as the former. Same for {u} and former {y}.

Hehe. I can imagine why.

> > > Don't fuss over 'em; if the {i} of {a} is the closest to /j/,
> > > the {i} of {} is somewhere between /j/ and /w/ or if you like
> > > a rounded /j/. The difference between {a} and {a} is that {}
> > > is closest to /w/ while {} is somewhere between /j/ and /w/,
> > > but closer to /w/ than the {} of {}. Btw, /H/ is in the French
> > > word _lui_ /lHi/ or something like that.

> > AHA! _Now_ I got it! Why didn't you say so in the first place? :)

> Ah goody you mean that explanation works? Maybe I can finally update
> the sounds-page then :)

Well, I meant the explanation of /H/ as in French _lui_. But the entire
passage is good.

> > > Roughly: /ALwA.uwi.u_Lu_H:\.e:.y/

> > Hmm. My try wasn't that close. So there's a tetraphthong in
> > the beginning? That was somewhat hard to see. I petty those
> > little truven (what _is_ the adjective again?) children trying
> > to learn how to read and write at school. Ouch.

> Tip: count number of vowels with graves and acutes that are next
> to eachother, add 1 (for the diacriticless vowel in front), and
> hey presto!

AHA! Again: Why didn't you say so in the first place?! Pieces are
starting to fall into the right places.

> Actually it marks palatalization or a hyper-short closed front vowel
> whose rounding depends on it's neighbors. I've thought of replacing it
> with {} mu, but I've also thought of using that one for nasals that
> take their point of articulation from their neighbors.

Now that's a cool idea! A nice system to make the phonological rules
shine through in the orthography.

> > mp3's I can listen to. ... But not that one apparently. Arrghs!
> > What's up with my computer?!?!?

> Weird.

It got worse. The entire computer broke down. Couldn't even start the
damn thing. Because of one bad soundcard driver. Somehow I fixed it.
Now it says that I have two of the same audio driver installed, one
faulty and one working. Don't have the guts to remove the bad one since
the computer's working now. Ugh.

Daniel

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
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 knowing how to hide your sources."
 -- Albert Einstein
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