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AUXLANG October 2000, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Initial ps- in IALs

From:

"LeoMoser([log in to unmask])" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

International Auxiliary Languages <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 23 Oct 2000 07:47:40 -0700

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----- Original Message -----
From: "michael farris" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 3:01 AM
> "LeoMoser([log in to unmask])" wrote:
> (but first, a note from me)
>
> In Polish, [ps] is easy, easy, easy, in fact the most frequent occuring
initial
> consonant cluster in Polish is 'prz' which is pronounced [pS] (mostly,
> entirely?) before y or e.

Interesting.

> przez [pSes] - through
> przy [pSi] - at, next to, by
>
> > -Yes, this "English angle" is more noted than
> > I had expected.  Another one:
> >       Irish is síceolaíocht.
>
> in Turkish I think it's something like 'sikoloji' (with j = [Z]) (I might
be
> wrong)

My Turkish dictionaries show a written p-,
but I have doubts whether many ever try to
pronounce it.

> > Tagalog? Has a written p-  -- and "ptomaina "
> > for ptomaine.

> No first hand experience eith tagolog, but usually English loanwords
maintain
> their spelling in Tagolog texts, what is done with pronunciation varies.
Usually
> speakers (what I've heard) try to pronounce the English word as much like
> English as possible.

But since English does not pronounce the
initial p- ....

> Listening to formal Tagolog is disconcerting (among other
> reasons) because there are constant split second pauses (immediately
> discernible) as speakers prepare for or exit from rather long English
borrowings
> as in (amking up the tagolog part, but just to give you an idea
>
> Aglang nang ito kana ..Federal Dam Project ..puklang bumigat ang ditu ..
> Superior court judge ruled in favor ..
>
> (this is leaving out the frequent Spanish loans which have been nativized
a good
> deal more than English words are) -amike   mike farris

Thanks,                   LEO

     Leo J. Moser
################

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