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CONLANG  October 2000, Week 4

CONLANG October 2000, Week 4

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R: Re: R: "Roumant", or whatever it may be called. PART III

From:

Mangiat <[log in to unmask]>

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Constructed Languages List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 26 Oct 2000 17:44:02 +0200

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Cristophe wrote:

> > > The only real
> > > demonstrative pronouns can be used only to refer to things. They are:
> > > stec /st@'si/: this (thing)
> > > stel /st@'li/: that (thing)
> > > stel /st@'la/: yon (thing)
> >
> > Mmm... they look like those I use in my dialect:
> > stu chi /stu'ki/
> > and
> > chell li /kEl'li/
> >
>
> Funny, I don't know anything about your dialect. But it's nice, because it
means
> that what I did is not completely implausible :) .

It's GalloItalic. There are, indeed, some similarities with Occitan.

> > 'St'ha' roughly means 'il y '(sp?), isn't it?
>
> Yes (it's "il y a").

oops!

>  Hey, I must be a dumb. Since we are at
> > pronominal/adjectival parts, why haven't I told you Sardinian has the
> > coolest article I've ever seen amongst Romance langs? It's derived from
> > 'ipse': su, sa. ex.: sa oche /sa Oke/(the voice).
> >
>
> I've read that somewhere a while ago. I think it was on the list but I'm
not
> sure. Anyway I find this derivation nice. My articles are much more
common, they
> are simply derived from ille, illa, illud (except that they lost all
consonnant
> sounds: e, a, o :) ).

Notice the cool fact that Sardinian has retained the old value of Latin <c>
and <g>: (pRomance) vocem > oche /Oke/, scire > ischire /i'skire/... really
archaic!

> > > There are no real demonstrative pronouns to refer to living creatures.
> > Instead
> > > are used the third person emphatic pronouns, followed by the adverbs
> > c,
> > l or
> > > l (connected to the pronoun by a hyphen). Thus we obtain the
> > different
> > forms:
> > > lui-c /'lHisi/: this one (masc. sg.)
> > > lui-l /'lHili/: that one (masc. sg.)
> > > lui-l /'lHila/: yon one (masc. sg.)
> > > lei-c /'lEsi/: this one (fem. sg.)
> > > lei-l /'lEli/: that one (fem. sg.)
> > > lei-l /'lEla/: yon one (fem. sg.)
> > > lorr-c /'lOrsi/: these ones (pl.)
> > > lorr-l /'lOrli/: those ones (pl.)
> > > lorr-l /'lOrla/: yons (?) ones (pl.)
> >
> > OK, this happens in Italian as well.
> >
>
> Really? I didn't remember that. Maybe it's unconscious influence then...

Yup...
questo qui
quello l
quelli l
*codesti l is obviously not allowed.

 > Heyhey, we wanna see the verbal system : )
> >
>
> After the last part of the pronouns I promise :) . You will see, the
verbal
> system is at the same time quite common, but also with strange features
(like
> the existence of a subjunctive future :) ).

Looking forward for it!

Luca

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